[cohland]

Interesting thread-- 4 pages in 2 days!!! Looks like the conclusion is that it wasn't the angle of the OP's connector-- all the pics of the intact receiver whether it's Chris' or the OP's, shows the normal position of the trigger bar with the connector.

If the slide was on, this is what the parts would look like, it just depends on which phase of the slide's cycle you're in. In Chris' first picture, this is what the trigger bar does after the slide is all the way back during recoil. That cam pushes the connector to the left, and the trigger bar is raised just a hair by the trigger housing spring. This is so the firing pin lug can catch the cruciform part of the trigger bar when the slide cycles back into battery.

When your trigger finger moves forward to trigger reset that "SNAP" you hear is the connector snapping to the right, shown in Chris' second picture. In an intact pistol, instead of your finger pushing the whole trigger bar forward, it's the firing pin lug pushing the trigger bar.

Chris (cohland) -- since you're the god of Awesome Pictures, do you have a pic of the slide with the cam surface? It'll solidify what you were explaining.

There was one photo from the OP the clearly showed that the connector was not sticking out of the trigger mechanism housing at an angle, it looked like it had been bent to be straight. That was confirmed by a photo of the connector. So I think the problem WAS the angle of the OP's connector.

Your explanation of the cam and the firing pin lug catching the cruciform reveals a whole lot more knowledge of the actual internal workings of this mechanism than I have. I really want to get a cutaway Glock so that I can understand all of this better. How did you figure that out? I learn better visually, maybe I'll just stare at the animation some more....

I do have a photo of the slide with the cam surface! Here it is, please tell me if this is annotated correctly, I would call that surface the "slide cam" but if you have heard a better description, please say so.

By the way, this photo is of a G35 slide with a red dot sight, if you were wondering what that weird thing was on the top of the slide.

Chris

 

[NWGlocker]

I knew you had a pic, and you got the arrow at the right spot. You can see the cam's ramps to the left and to the right of the arrowhead. I used the Armorer's orange slide cover to inspect all the parts to get an idea what was happening. Now I'm not so sure about the connector angle any more, but I learned a whole lot in this thread. It's the whole point of being on this forum.

Wish I could take that Advanced Armorer's course, and I might have to get a red dot sight too...

 

[cohland]

I knew you had a pic, and you got the arrow at the right spot. You can see the cam's ramps to the left and to the right of the arrowhead. I used the Armorer's orange slide cover to inspect all the parts to get an idea what was happening. Now I'm not so sure about the connector angle any more, but I learned a whole lot in this thread. It's the whole point of being on this forum.

Wish I could take that Advanced Armorer's course, and I might have to get a red dot sight too...

Thanks! I've got an orange cover, I'll put it on and stare at it some more today. The animation helped, also. I am going to the Advanced Armorer's course when my current certificate expires, I think in one more year.

This rain has been crazy, I'm trying to get out to the range to check a sight adjustment on my STI 1911, but I'll be darned if I'll get soaked in the process.

Stay dry, maybe I'll see you at another Glock match this coming year.

Chris

 

[POL]

Interesting thread-- 4 pages in 2 days!!! Looks like the conclusion is that it wasn't the angle of the OP's connector-- all the pics of the intact receiver whether it's Chris' or the OP's, shows the normal position of the trigger bar with the connector.

If the slide was on, this is what the parts would look like, it just depends on which phase of the slide's cycle you're in. In Chris' first picture, this is what the trigger bar does after the slide is all the way back during recoil. That cam pushes the connector to the left, and the trigger bar is raised just a hair by the trigger housing spring. This is so the firing pin lug can catch the cruciform part of the trigger bar when the slide cycles back into battery.

When your trigger finger moves forward to trigger reset that "SNAP" you hear is the connector snapping to the right, shown in Chris' second picture. In an intact pistol, instead of your finger pushing the whole trigger bar forward, it's the firing pin lug pushing the trigger bar.

Chris (cohland) -- since you're the god of Awesome Pictures, do you have a pic of the slide with the cam surface? It'll solidify what you were explaining.

Another excellent explanation...
Thank you very much for your help on the understanding of the interior mechanism of this gun

 

[POL]

There was one photo from the OP the clearly showed that the connector was not sticking out of the trigger mechanism housing at an angle, it looked like it had been bent to be straight. That was confirmed by a photo of the connector. So I think the problem WAS the angle of the OP's connector.

Your explanation of the cam and the firing pin lug catching the cruciform reveals a whole lot more knowledge of the actual internal workings of this mechanism than I have. I really want to get a cutaway Glock so that I can understand all of this better. How did you figure that out? I learn better visually, maybe I'll just stare at the animation some more....

I do have a photo of the slide with the cam surface! Here it is, please tell me if this is annotated correctly, I would call that surface the "slide cam" but if you have heard a better description, please say so.

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By the way, this photo is of a G35 slide with a red dot sight, if you were wondering what that weird thing was on the top of the slide.

Chris

Thanks again "God of the awesome pictures", LOL

 

[cohland]

Thanks again "God of the awesome pictures", LOL

I'm a little uncomfortable with the whole God thing. How about just Prince of Pictures?



Chris

 

[POL]

I'm a little uncomfortable with the whole God thing. How about just Prince of Pictures?



Chris

You got it !!!

 

[__jb]

Your explanation of the cam and the firing pin lug catching the cruciform reveals a whole lot more knowledge of the actual internal workings of this mechanism than I have. I really want to get a cutaway Glock so that I can understand all of this better. How did you figure that out? I learn better visually, maybe I'll just stare at the animation some more....

Chris

Don't know if you have ever seen this Glock Animation by Genitron before, but it is very helpful... Run it and select the "Play" option to delve deeper into some of the inner workings of Glocks... It has a special section on Connectors that explains how they work and how they interface with the cam in the slide.

Glock Pistol Animation

I thought this had been posted here before, but maybe not.

Everyone thinking about modifying their Glock... especially the springs... should spend some time viewing/studying this animation before ripping things apart...

 

[C/O]

The top picture looks like you pulled the trigger bar forward a bit after you took the slide off... The Connector snaps over a bit... Put the slide back on and rack it... see if it looks different...

Have you shot this new gun yet?

I would shoot it before I started bending connectors and stuff... especially if it dry fires correctly...

What I wanted to know is the gap is the same. If it is, then look at the photos below. These are taken of my fully functioning G19.

Photo 1, "FIRED", shows the position of the connector and the trigger bar after the gun was verified to be empty, trigger has been pulled, and the slide was removed. The connector is touching the trigger bar, and the trigger bar is fully to the rear.

Photo 2, "TRIGGER RESET", shows the position of the connector after the trigger bar is pushed forward. When this is done, the connector snaps into position over the nose of the trigger bar. If yours behaves this way and looks this way, then I think it is OK.

If you push the trigger bar forward and pull the trigger again, the connector will not move over to the left. This is because the connector is normally pushed over by the cam surface in the rear of the slide. Since the slide is removed, the cam action does not occur, but you can force the reset by pulling the trigger and then pushing the connector over to the left with your finger. When you do that, the trigger bar will pop up back into the position seen when you first removed the slide.

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Does your pistol behave like mine does?

Chris

Chris and JB, great job. I thought the same thing as you guys when I saw the pictures the OP posted. It is a good thing when the problem is not a problem.

Pistolcompetitor, great explanation of the inner workings of the Glock.

 

[NWGlocker]

I'm a little uncomfortable with the whole God thing. How about just Prince of Pictures?



Chris

Sorry, didn't mean any disrespect. But you cant be just a prince. Duke of diagrams? King of kickin' Kodak's?

 

[cohland]

Sorry, didn't mean any disrespect. But you cant be just a prince. Duke of diagrams? King of kickin' Kodak's?

THAT made me laugh!
Have a good Thanksgiving.

Chris

 

[POL]

I would like to thank everyone who have helped me in this post (specially Chris, JB and Pistolcompetitor)
Thank you all very much guys, I really mean it
Regards !!!