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Hey all,

What is everyones take on stainless steel guide rods in glocks? Obviously they would be more durable and would add a little bit of muzzle weight, but what are some of the pros and cons of SS guide rods over the stock polymer assembly?

I've got over 1000 rounds in my new gen 3 G19 and the stock rod is still tip top. Just curious if they are worth the $$$.

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keep it stock. :)

i only put a wolff steel guide rod with a heavier weight spring in my G29 to reduce frame battering from full power 10mm loads. i would never consider putting in an aftermarket recoil system in my G19, or any other glock.
 

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That's kinda what I thought. I see the SS ones everywhere online and wasn't sure if I was missing something. The stock assembly is only about $7, so that's hard to beat. Nearly all Glock parts are super affordable. I wish I could say the same for 1911 parts.
 

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Since adding a flashlight to some Glocks can cause them to malfunction, I wouldn't add anything that caused the barrel area to be stiffer than normal...

Check out some of the videos of Glocks firing in slow motion... Glock designs them to flex...
 

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Since adding a flashlight to some Glocks can cause them to malfunction, I wouldn't add anything that caused the barrel area to be stiffer than normal...
that only afflicts some of the gen3 40cal models, and possibly the gen4 g19 (jury's still out on that one).
 

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My point was that if you watch one of the super slow motion videos of a Glock firing, you'll see the pistol flexing... a lot. Glock has one of Gunny firing a Glock up close in slo-mo, but I can't seem to find it.

Since the simple addition of a flashlight to some Glocks can cause problems, I wouldn't do anything to remove the flexibility on any Glock.

It was just my opinion...
 

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My point was that if you watch one of the super slow motion videos of a Glock firing, you'll see the pistol flexing... a lot. Glock has one of Gunny firing a Glock up close in slo-mo, but I can't seem to find it.

Since the simple addition of a flashlight to some Glocks can cause problems, I wouldn't do anything to remove the flexibility on any Glock.

It was just my opinion...
right. i've seen that episode of locked n' loaded with the gunny where they show the slow-mo glock frame flex (although i was more interested in jesse abate lol).

interupting the frame flex with a tac light doesn't cause issues on anything but some gen3 40cals. the other calibers are unaffected. no one knows for sure what is causing the issue, or how to remedy it. glock has never said anything about it, and won't recall 2 million 40cals to replace them.

here's some research that streamlight did into it:

Q: Are there Issues Using Tactical Lights on Glock® Pistols?

A: Some Glock® .40 caliber pistols, models 22 and 23, exhibit feeding malfunctions, either nose down or nose up (stovepipe), when used with tactical lights. The problems tend to occur with individual guns, with some pistols becoming totally unreliable while other identical, even close in serial number sequence, guns have no problems. Most models 22 and 23 are reliable.

A sensitive gun may malfunction with any tactical light - the TLRs, the older M models, and even Glock®'s own brand. There is evidence that the problem sometimes develops with use, and may progress until the pistol is unreliable even with no light attached.

On the basis of testing by Streamlight, we believe the problem is magazine related. It appears that the rounds are unable to rise fast enough for proper cycling. We have observed proper feeding for the first few rounds, consistent failures at mid-magazine capacity, and a return to proper feeding of the last few cartridges in the magazine.

We have tried both stronger and weaker recoil springs, and compound-action recoil buffers, all without success. Sometimes new magazine springs, either new Glock® or Wolff, will cure the problem. In one case of a pistol which was totally reliable when new but progressed to malfunctioning on every magazine, even with no light installed, we found two solutions which restored reliability, but which might not be acceptable to some users. The first was using 10 round capacity Glock® magazines. The gun will not cycle reliably with 15 round mags with their steeply stacked columns but works flawlessly with 10 round mags. The second solution was a new magazine follower from Brownells®, their part number 069-000-006. When used in a 15 round magazine with a new spring, reliability was restored. However, the follower would not lock the slide open after the last round.

Ammunition is also a factor with any weapon. Some brands and weights may be totally reliable while others jam repeatedly. Make sure your gun is thoroughly tested with your duty ammo.

Brownells® is a registered trademark of Brownells®, Inc.
Glock® is a registered trademark of GLOCK Gesellschaft mbH.
 

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Not necessary. They will keep going even if the plastic rod melts out.

Although, I see no need to do that to a gun
 

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Hey all,

What is everyones take on stainless steel guide rods in glocks? Obviously they would be more durable and would add a little bit of muzzle weight, but what are some of the pros and cons of SS guide rods over the stock polymer assembly?

I've got over 1000 rounds in my new gen 3 G19 and the stock rod is still tip top. Just curious if they are worth the $$$.

PEACE!
First, I agree that we ought to use stock Glock parts for the sake of reliability and warranty.

With that said, I've seen some discussion about problems with new recoil spring assemblies on the Gen4 9mm (G17 in particular, I believe). I personally had some problems shooting this gun with light 115-grain 9mm ammunition, feeding and ejecting sort of problems. It wasn't a happy pistol with that ammo. I did not KNOW that Glock had a fix for it, so I went ahead and got a SS rod guide and a few springs, and I solved the problem.

Today I finally got around to calling Glock about it, and a very quick phone conversation resulted in them sending me the new RSA (Recoil Spring Assembly) which I think will solve the problem. If it does, then the SS rod guide comes out and I'll use the stock part.

So my problem could have been solved by calling Glock first.

There's one thing you can say about SS rod guides, and that is they make it easy to fiddle around with different spring rates. I've read that some competitors like very light recoil springs (for whatever reason), so using an SS rod guide just makes their lives easier.

I'd say for the non-competitor, if you can use stock parts you probably ought to do that for the sake of reliablity and warranty. But the gun's got to WORK, after all. My solution will be to use the new RSA with light ammunition, and I'll try the original with heavier "defense" loads to see how it works.

This rambled a bit, but I hope I was able to offer some help.

Chris
 

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First, I agree that we ought to use stock Glock parts for the sake of reliability and warranty.

With that said, I've seen some discussion about problems with new recoil spring assemblies on the Gen4 9mm (G17 in particular, I believe). I personally had some problems shooting this gun with light 115-grain 9mm ammunition, feeding and ejecting sort of problems. It wasn't a happy pistol with that ammo. I did not KNOW that Glock had a fix for it, so I went ahead and got a SS rod guide and a few springs, and I solved the problem.

Today I finally got around to calling Glock about it, and a very quick phone conversation resulted in them sending me the new RSA (Recoil Spring Assembly) which I think will solve the problem. If it does, then the SS rod guide comes out and I'll use the stock part.

So my problem could have been solved by calling Glock first.

There's one thing you can say about SS rod guides, and that is they make it easy to fiddle around with different spring rates. I've read that some competitors like very light recoil springs (for whatever reason), so using an SS rod guide just makes their lives easier.

I'd say for the non-competitor, if you can use stock parts you probably ought to do that for the sake of reliablity and warranty. But the gun's got to WORK, after all. My solution will be to use the new RSA with light ammunition, and I'll try the original with heavier "defense" loads to see how it works.

This rambled a bit, but I hope I was able to offer some help.

Chris
Good post!

FWIW, I have one of the new 02 guide rod springs in my 4th gen Glock 17. It has worked perfectly since its installation!
 

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First, I agree that we ought to use stock Glock parts for the sake of reliability and warranty.
most common aftermarket parts will not affect the warranty as they don't permanently alter the gun in any way (recoil assemblies & connectors for example). you simply replace the factory equipment if you have to send it to them for warranty work (and don't mention aftermarket parts on the phone with them either lol) :)

there are plenty of quality aftermakret parts that work as good or better than stock ones for glocks, just as there are for 1911's. for example, every now and then you will encounter a glock 3.5lb connector (now called 4.5lb), that needs tweeking. they're are thin at the bend and can bend inwards after a lot of shooting, causing a failure to reset the trigger. then you simply bend it back outwards (gently).

many aftermarket 3.5lb connectors, like ghost or scherer, are thicker at this bend, eliminating this issue altogether.

sights & connectors are two parts that you can find good aftermarket replacements for, but like i said before, i would leave the recoil assembly stock.
 

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Good post!

FWIW, I have one of the new 02 guide rod springs in my 4th gen Glock 17. It has worked perfectly since its installation!
Is that the one that's stamped "02" in the end of the RSA, or is it marked "0 2 1"? I'll be interested to see which one comes from Glock, they did ask if the end of the slide was beveled (mine is not), maybe that determines which of the RSAs I will get. We'll see.

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Is that the one that's stamped "02" in the end of the RSA, or is it marked "0 2 1"? I'll be interested to see which one comes from Glock, they did ask if the end of the slide was beveled (mine is not), maybe that determines which of the RSAs I will get. We'll see.

Chris
I have an 02 spring and the end of the slide on my G17/4 is not beveled. I recently heard about someone with a 021 or something like that... not sure what that is...

My G19/4 has a beveled opening where the guide rod fits in. Maybe they have started doing that to all the new 4th gen Glocks...
 

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Is that the one that's stamped "02" in the end of the RSA, or is it marked "0 2 1"? I'll be interested to see which one comes from Glock, they did ask if the end of the slide was beveled (mine is not), maybe that determines which of the RSAs I will get. We'll see.

Chris
hmmmm. your post caught my attention. My G17 Gen4 came with an "02" recoil spring assembly (RSA) but I sometimes have a little trouble removing it during a field strip. I called Glock again today after reading your post and mentioned how my slide also doesn't have a bevel on the guide ring. They said they're going to send me another assembly with a modified polymer rod. They said the muzzle-end of the rod is "raised up". Can you post pics of your RSA's? I'll do the same when I get mine.
 

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hmmmm. your post caught my attention. My G17 Gen4 came with an "02" recoil spring assembly (RSA) but I sometimes have a little trouble removing it during a field strip. I called Glock again today after reading your post and mentioned how my slide also doesn't have a bevel on the guide ring. They said they're going to send me another assembly with a modified polymer rod. They said the muzzle-end of the rod is "raised up". Can you post pics of your RSA's? I'll do the same when I get mine.
These photos (below) of the part delivered in my G17 Gen4 should be self-explanatory. Once I get the new part from Glock I'll post a photo of that as well. For now, I have an aftermarket Jager Gen4 Guide Rod with an ISMI spring installed. The Jager rod has a little "nubbin" or projection on the muzzle end that fits into the opening in the slide perfectly.

As an aside, these high resolution digital cameras show EVERY speck of dust. I promise, that slide isn't dirty.

Chris

Slide.jpg Back End.jpg Muzzle End.jpg
 
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