Thanks for the info. Excellent right up as always. I'll be glad to test drive that 5.11 for you. 
You're welcome to give it a spin.Thanks for the info. Excellent right up as always. I'll be glad to test drive that 5.11 for you.![]()
I forgot what model it was for.You're welcome to give it a spin.
19/23/32I forgot what model it was for.
I should clarify, by debris getting into the mechanism refer again to the ground fight scenario, which may very well be the case in a gun grab situation.Hey JL how you doing. Nice write up but I differ on one point. I carry with a blackhawk Serpa level 2 and like it very much. I cannot comment on the ground fight scenario as I have not yet had that happen. I have had it caught in my seat belt numerous times (Im a lefty and 200 lbs+) So far I have had nothing bad and everything good about the Serpa and will keep using it. As far as debris jamming that has not happend so far after 1 year. I pay attention to my firearm and all things associated and no problems so far. There is no concealed carry in Wisconsin only open carry so that is what I know.
I don't own a single retention holster for the reason you mentioned ... I carry concealed as a civilian. I very rarely open carry and when I do I am uber alert to a potential pistol snatch. If I OC'd regularly I might look into a retention holster and it would probably be a Safariland ALS system. I have a Detective buddy that uses one for on-duty plain clothes work and have played with it some. Unfortunately, he's a lefty so I can't wear it and try it out.I have several of the ALS design holsters. I have each equipped with the MLS attachment system that allows me to easily switch the holster from duty belt, to paddle, to a MOLLE system in a matter of seconds.
I'm a righty. You can try out one of mine at the range some time.I don't own a single retention holster for the reason you mentioned ... I carry concealed as a civilian. I very rarely open carry and when I do I am uber alert to a potential pistol snatch. If I OC'd regularly I might look into a retention holster and it would probably be a Safariland ALS system. I have a Detective buddy that uses one for on-duty plain clothes work and have played with it some. Unfortunately, he's a lefty so I can't wear it and try it out.
my reason for using a button holster or as your calling it AR holster is so if i run or dive i dont lose my gun. no other reason. with a pressure retention type holster i feel the need to hold the pistol in the holster any time i jog or do anything fast. and with a primary weapon in my hands thats not an option.I don't carry active retention holsters, period. When open carrying I have the holster right around the 3:00 area, gun grabs NOT a concern of mine. Also as some of the more prominent OCers in my state have said, open carrying a pistol is like riding a motorcycle. You have to be 'ON' at all times and completely aware of everything around you. No time for condition white...
If I did have to use an AR holster, it would be a Safariland. Seen three Serpas lock up first hand, and also an ND with one first hand. Then all the reports I hear online...no thanks. I'll stick to something that doesn't suck.
I have NEVER used an AR (active retention) holster of any kind and have been very active. I have taken approx 100 hrs of professional training doing all sorts of movements. I also have a young, active child and a dog. I run, jump, roll around on the floor, swing from monkey bars, hang upside down, etc. and have NEVER had an issue with a gun coming loose. Carry in a quality holster with a quality belt and you won't have an issue.my reason for using a button holster or as your calling it AR holster is so if i run or dive i dont lose my gun. no other reason. with a pressure retention type holster i feel the need to hold the pistol in the holster any time i jog or do anything fast. and with a primary weapon in my hands thats not an option.
yeah i see alot of guys use pressure retention holsters with zero issues but its purely mental for me. im kinda OCD on it. ill always check to see if its seated all the way in. plus on my belt for open carry when i run the gun bounces when in full sprint so the last thing i need to be thinking when im sprinting is "is my gun still in the holster?" id probably end up running with one hand on the gun and eat crap lol. the way i see it. it dosent slow my draw down at all and its peace of mind. so assuming the holster dosent jamm and not allow me to take it out im golden.I have NEVER used an AR (active retention) holster of any kind and have been very active. I have taken approx 100 hrs of professional training doing all sorts of movements. I also have a young, active child and a dog. I run, jump, roll around on the floor, swing from monkey bars, hang upside down, etc. and have NEVER had an issue with a gun coming loose. Carry in a quality holster with a quality belt and you won't have an issue.
There are also agencies that have adopted the S&W Sigma as a duty pistol and Uncle Mikes retention holsters. That doesn't make the best choices.yeah i dont have much to offer information wise as ive only ever used the serpa holsters but let me add that the serpa holster is to some of high enough quality to be a carry holster. the border patrol recently switched over to the level 3 retention serpa holster as there issued carry holster.