Negligent/Accidental Discharge: Ever seen or been involved in one?

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NWGlocker

Discussion Starter · Dec 8, 2010

I want to see if people are interested in sharing their story or (hopefully not) stories. This would help reinforce the importance of safety for anyone that reads the thread.

For me I had a near ND, and *knocking on a LOT of wood* that's it.

I was in a defensive handgun class and I was reholstering after a string of shots. As I was seating my Glock into my Kydex OWB holster, I felt a little less give and more of a sensation that it was getting hung up. I slid my weak hand around my side and felt some extra cloth from my shirt getting bunched up near the holster. I looked down and saw part of my shirt, untucked and (how'd THAT happen??) wedged between the gun and the holster. My heart skipped a beat and I sloooowly lifted my gun again. I don't remember if any fabric actually was threaded through the trigger guard but I'll assume it was. Worse yet, we were running hot between strings.

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230therapy

· #2 · Dec 9, 2010 (Edited)

Holster reluctantly.

I think the primary problem is with IWB holsters where the shirt tends to come out and fall into the holster. I have not experienced the problem with my shirt when using OWB type holsters.

I used to advocate holstering with eyes up and downrange. However, the only reason to holster is because it's safe to do so. If you have checked the area, and are going to holster slowly and carefully, then is there any reason to not look?

Furthermore, remove anything that hangs down off your jacket or shirt. I saw a guy holster a SIG with one of those round stays that you see on the bottom of many jackets. It caught in the trigger guard and when he felt resistance, he pushed the gun into the holster. BANG. He had a hole in his back pocket and wished he was wearing Depends. The bullet went into the dirt about three feet behind where he was standing.

__jb

· #3 · Dec 10, 2010

Geez...

That's pretty scary!

sbrenner

· #4 · Dec 28, 2010

A very bad Instructor...

At qualifications.

I went up to the instructor and told him he needed more instructors.

He told me if I wanted to qualify to get on the range and get ready.

I did as the Instructor ordered me to do.

Well we finished and he made the Range Safe.
He said pick up your magazines and brass.
We started and then Bang!
The range he made safe went Hot!
Two Officers down from me!
After shooting at the rangeI alsays go home change and wash my clothes.
I had holes in my sock that was on the left side and holes in my pants leg that was also to the left side.
The holes were made from fragments of bullets and who knows what else.
Yes, Cops are some of the most unsafe shooters because one can not tell them anything!
They think they are smart and that is when stuff happens!

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TedG954

· #5 · Dec 28, 2010

I had a partner shoot a hole in passenger-side floor of the police cruiser while trying to unload a .25

Maybe small, but it sure was loud.

I think he's dead now. R.I.P.

TedG954

· #6 · Dec 28, 2010

sbrenner said:
At qualifications.

I went up to the instructor and told him he needed more instructors.

He told me if I wanted to qualify to get on the range and get ready.

I did as the Instructor ordered me to do.

Well we finished and he made the Range Safe.
He said pick up your magazines and brass.
We started and then Bang!
The range he made safe went Hot!
Two Officers down from me!
After shooting at the rangeI alsays go home change and wash my clothes.
I had holes in my sock that was on the left side and holes in my pants leg that was also to the left side.
The holes were made from fragments of bullets and who knows what else.
Yes, Cops are some of the most unsafe shooters because one can not tell them anything!
They think they are smart and that is when stuff happens!

Yeah, I woulda had to wash my pants too. I would have thrown the underware away.

cohland

· #7 · Dec 29, 2010 (Edited)

I witnessed an Accidental Discharge at a range safety class, the one that's taught at many gun clubs to allow you to use the action range.

A shooter in my training squad encountered a jam with a 1911, where the slide would not fully close into battery, and the round could not be ejected using normal rearward force on the slide. Soooo, the shooter held on to the pistol really hard with his right (strong) hand, and hit the slide forward from the rear with some force along the top with his left hand, attempting to force the slide forward to close the slide into battery.

The bad news is that Mr. New Shooter failed to move his trigger finger outside the trigger guard while performing this maneuver. You guessed it. The force of moving the pistol forward with the left hand, with the right trigger finger in place, this time caused the pistol to go into battery and to fire. Happily, the round didn't hit anyone or anything, at least not that we know of.

The bad news is that the round left the property of the gun club.

So did the shooter, who was disqualified for the day.

Chris

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sbrenner

· #8 · Dec 29, 2010

TedG954 said:
Yeah, I woulda had to wash my pants too. I would have thrown the underware away.

You made me laugh! Tears came to my eyes. My Mother used to make me laugh like that.
You made me remember my mother. Now more tears for a different reason!
Thanks you are a Great Guy!

Sheepdog808

· #9 · Jan 5, 2011

This has been around for awhile but its still fun to watch.

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__jb

· #10 · Jan 5, 2011

Sheepdog808 said:
This has been around for awhile but its still fun to watch.

That's the first time I've seen that video... Geez... What an idiot...

I can't believe people stayed in that class...

Sheepdog808

· #11 · Jan 5, 2011

__jb said:
That's the first time I've seen that video... Geez... What an idiot...

I can't believe people stayed in that class...

lol and did you hear the class when he wanted to handle the carbine?

TheLaw

· #12 · Jan 5, 2011

__jb said:
That's the first time I've seen that video... Geez... What an idiot...

I can't believe people stayed in that class...

Yeah, that was a video that's been out for awhile. He actually tried to sue because the video was released but the Judge through out the case. Idiot.

__jb

· #13 · Jan 6, 2011

Sheepdog808 said:
lol and did you hear the class when he wanted to handle the carbine?

Yea, no one wanted to hand it to him...

I can't believe he tried to continue the class... I almost thought it was a setup at first... Turned out that he was just a jerk... Talking like such a big shot and then AD... That would be tough to get over... He's lucky he didn't shoot one of the kids in the class!

__jb

· #14 · Jan 6, 2011

TheLaw said:
Yeah, that was a video that's been out for awhile. He actually tried to sue because the video was released but the Judge through out the case. Idiot.

That's amazing... It should have had some major repercussions with his career in the DEA... No wonder he tried to stop the video...

Once it hits YouTube... it's viral...

TheLaw

· #15 · Jan 6, 2011

__jb said:
Talking like such a big shot and then AD...

Not to be picky, but that wasn't an AD (Accidental Discharge) it was an ND (Negligent Discharge) !

cyberwolph

· #16 · Feb 3, 2011

Yeah i would agree with thelaw. I never heard of an AD myself. No matter what happens firearms dont just "go off". I had this guy in the back of a 5 ton once. His rifle went off and he tried to say it was an AD. I asked him how it happened and he said he was just sittin there and when we hit that big bump it went off. From what the other guys in the back said he wasnt messing around with it, but when we hit the bump it slipped out of his hands and when he grabbed for it he hit the trigger. Now this is on an m16. Im pretty sure that you cant get one to fire with the safety on. Even if the safety was on and his finger turned it to fire, well then he should have had a hold of it better. Usually when a firearm fires without you finger on the trigger its because the individual wasnt paying close enough attention to what their doing. Nobody is perfect and im not pointing fingers just saying that i agree with thelaw.

Don Glock

· #17 · Feb 3, 2011

i think an accidental dischcarge would be the gun going off when dropped. like with the older weapons that lack firing pin blocking safeties

cyberwolph

· #18 · Feb 3, 2011

Just my opinion but dropping a firearm is negligent. As I stated before nobody is perfect. I can see where your coming from though.

TheLaw

· #19 · Feb 3, 2011

Dropping a firearm is an accident. Dropping a modern firearm, that's properly working, and the firearm discharging is negligent.

NWGlocker

Discussion Starter · #20 · Mar 5, 2011

New post from one of our fellow Glock.pro members.
The first step to a ND is thinking that it'll never happen to you.

Stay safe.

http://glock.pro/showthread.php/1961-Slide-removal-issue.?p=22637#post22637

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