[TheLaw]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/man-accused-of-having-gun-knives-pepper-grenade-1074340.html

BOYNTON BEACH - The man found to be carrying guns while waiting in line for a Black Friday sale said in court this morning that he's a retired federal law enforcement officer.
Boynton Beach police said they arrested Christopher D. Scott, 49, just after midnight today in a checkout line at the Walmart at 3200 Old Boynton Road.
Scott is charged with three counts each of carrying a concealed firearm, carrying a concealed weapon, and possession of a controlled substance without a prescription.

Interesting. I'm sure some of our Florida members will chime in but based on my info, a person can lawfully conceal carry with license of course in Florida. I'm wondering what caused the attention of Law Enforcement to notice what he was carrying. I'm wondering if it was the 33 round magazine sticking out of his jacket. LOL Heck, I didn't even know they were 30 round .40 cal GLOCK magazines. LOL

And why the Three counts of carrying a concealed firearm? They apparently charged him separately for the knives, so I wonder why there were three separate charges.

 

[TheLaw]

and then there is this woman. Another reason to stay away from stores on Back Friday.
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/lo...cle_6fdf0dc8-f955-11df-ad8e-001cc4c002e0.html

A 21-year-old Middleton woman was arrested Thursday night when she threatened other shoppers while waiting in line at the Toys R Us store, 7309 West Towne Way, which opened for Black Friday shopping at 10 p.m., Madison police reported.
Several hundred shoppers were in line just after 10 p.m., when the woman attempted to move to the front of the line, police said. When she was confronted by other shoppers, she made threats to retrieve a gun and shoot the shoppers.

 

[TheLaw]

The food court isn't even safe. LOL

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...lockdown-after-fight-reports-of-gunshots.html

The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department placed a portion of a Cerritos shopping mall on lockdown briefly Friday morning after a fight broke out in the food court.
The lockdown at the Los Cerritos Center was quickly lifted, and mall operations are now back to normal, officials said.

 

[TedG954]

Concealed carry is legally permitted in Florida via a license. As far as I know, Walmart doesn't ban CCW. I doubt that he was licensed.

Additionally, if your weapon is seen, it is your duty to inform law enforcement. The license is for concealed carry, not open carry, so once it is visible, all bets are off. I've got a feeling this guy wasn't licensed, or maybe it was the ski-mask and "Kill 'em All" t-shirt that led to probable cause.

 

[__jb]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/man-accused-of-having-gun-knives-pepper-grenade-1074340.html

Interesting. I'm sure some of our Florida members will chime in but based on my info, a person can lawfully conceal carry with license of course in Florida. I'm wondering what caused the attention of Law Enforcement to notice what he was carrying. I'm wondering if it was the 33 round magazine sticking out of his jacket. LOL Heck, I didn't even know they were 30 round .40 cal GLOCK magazines. LOL

And why the Three counts of carrying a concealed firearm? They apparently charged him separately for the knives, so I wonder why there were three separate charges.

If you read the article, it turns out that he is from Arizona...

It is a messy case... He has felonies against him, but said he was a victim of identity theft... which seems to have turned out to be true... He couldn't be verified as a Fed because today is a holiday??? WTF??? What's up with that?

Have to wait for more info on this one...

 

[230therapy]

Open carry is illegal in Florida. He did a very silly thing and did not check the laws. Unfortunately, he's going to lose.

 

[TheLaw]

Funny. If you notice the story was update at 6:02 PM tonight. There is MUCH more info, and different info now than when I read and posted about this story. Makes more sense now.

 

[blackriderhank]

Why did he leave his rifle in the car? After all it's called black friday for a reason, If it's the last toy your kid wants is on the shelf, you need to defend your self. I got mugged in a grocery store in Vicenza Italy by a little old lady because I left my rifle in the car.

 

[Don Glock]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/man-accused-of-having-gun-knives-pepper-grenade-1074340.html

Interesting. I'm sure some of our Florida members will chime in but based on my info, a person can lawfully conceal carry with license of course in Florida. I'm wondering what caused the attention of Law Enforcement to notice what he was carrying. I'm wondering if it was the 33 round magazine sticking out of his jacket. LOL Heck, I didn't even know they were 30 round .40 cal GLOCK magazines. LOL

And why the Three counts of carrying a concealed firearm? They apparently charged him separately for the knives, so I wonder why there were three separate charges.

aren't retired feds allowed to conceal carry, sfguard?

Scott is charged with two counts of carrying a concealed firearm

 

[jlw]

I'm just reading this article now (the updated version). If the guy was truly a legit peace officer with more than 10 years (recently dropped from 15) he would be covered under the LEOSA; however, he must have the proper credentials under the LEOSA.

The prescription pills may be his undoing as the LEOSA is rendered null by being under the influence, and from his picture, he appears to be in such a state. Check out his eyes...

 

[geezerkid]

At first I felt the harsh arrest may have been overkill, and I thought the mention of 30 round mag was a gag, until I read the story. THIRTY ROUND MAG? REALLY?! I don't care if he's a retired Pope. Lock that dumb jerk up! There is NO excuse for that kind of ignorance. What a douchebag!...

I'll bet his "retirement was more like, "Retire (and we'll let you have benefits), or be fired!" I hope he loses his benefits, or at least use the Mental Health benefits. He certainly needs some kind of mental help!

Owning and using a 30 round mag is fine - ONLY at the shooting range! Maybe he was worried about being trampled by the "Black Friday" crowd? "Excuse me folks, trample around me so I can wrestle with this foot-long mag to shoot you!"
Duh.

 

[TheLaw]

At first I felt the harsh arrest may have been overkill, and I thought the mention of 30 round mag was a gag, until I read the story. THIRTY ROUND MAG? REALLY?! I don't care if he's a retired Pope. Lock that dumb jerk up! There is NO excuse for that kind of ignorance. What a douchebag!...

I'll bet his "retirement was more like, "Retire (and we'll let you have benefits), or be fired!" I hope he loses his benefits, or at least use the Mental Health benefits. He certainly needs some kind of mental help!

Owning and using a 30 round mag is fine - ONLY at the shooting range! Maybe he was worried about being trampled by the "Black Friday" crowd? "Excuse me folks, trample around me so I can wrestle with this foot-long mag to shoot you!"
Duh.

I'll respectfully disagree with you on the 30 round magazine Geezer. I would like to preface my statement by saying that I don't own any 30 (33) round magazines. However, there should be no issue with a legal law abiding person carrying a 30 + round magazine if that's what they choose to do. What's the difference in him carrying a 30 round magazine and me carrying the 46 rounds I carry typically? (16 in the G19 and two spare 15 round magazines)

Trying to limit what a person can carry takes on many forms. Who needs an AR-15? Who needs a shotgun that holds more than 3 or 4 shells? Why would someone need to carry two firearms? I can assure you that with one well placed shot, I can kill or injure a person with one round of out a 30 round magazine, just as easily as I can with one round out of my 15 round mags.

Again, pointing out that I don't own one, I won't condemn the guy for having a 30 round mag. The posted story doesn't say if this was the mag in his firearm or if this was his backup mag. If he had a 15 rounder in the gun and a 30 rounder in a pocket or mag pouch, then what's the difference?

I liken this to thigh holsters. I USED to say that there was no need for a civilian to have a thigh holster. I talked about how "ninja" a civilian would look if they carried one. I however have changed my mind with the cold weather setting in for range use. Using a thigh holster at the range when it's freezing cold and a heavy jacket on makes a lot more sense that I used to think. I still wouldn't go to the grocery store with one on but I've certainly changed my mind on why a civilian would use/own one.

 

[blackriderhank]

What TL said

 

[__jb]

I'm not sure if geezerkid was kidding or not... But...

I agree with theLaw, plus... Mag size isn't much of a big deal, since you can swap out a magazine in about a half a second...

 

[Coach.John]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/c...t-boynton-beach-walmart-appeared-1088714.html

This second article makes it clear why he was arrested initially. He was open carrying both the gun and the pepper spray. Anyone walking around, open carrying a weapon, needs to study the laws especially carefully. With Concealed Carry, if the weapon is actually concealed, there is a small chance of being arrested, even if concealed carry is illegal. But Open Carry? Give me a break, this guy deserved to be hauled in.

 

[TheLaw]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/c...t-boynton-beach-walmart-appeared-1088714.html

This second article makes it clear why he was arrested initially. He was open carrying both the gun and the pepper spray. Anyone walking around, open carrying a weapon, needs to study the laws especially carefully. With Concealed Carry, if the weapon is actually concealed, there is a small chance of being arrested, even if concealed carry is illegal. But Open Carry? Give me a break, this guy deserved to be hauled in.

Open Carry is legal where he is from. Being that he was not in his home town, he obviously did not do enough research and was clearly in the wrong, but just as with the 30 round mags, he should be able to carry anyway he chooses to.

 

[geezerkid]

Please don't misunderstand me. I was poking fun at this jerk for having that massive magazine sticking out! This guy was scary enough with that thing, that most people have never seen before! I don't care how many mags or rounds he wants to carry. It's his wasteline getting squished. If he's into hauling that weight, fine with me! (Maybe he walks around his house in a deep sea divers suit, with the lead belt?)

Like others said, his first mistake was not complying with the local laws. Carrying open, with a baseball bat-sized mag sticking out had to look ridiculous to those that knew what it was, and terrifying to those that thought it to be some kind of machine gun or other mass-killing device!

I was imagining him being trampled by women running for the toy department, and his "boomarang" setup getting stomped into his hand. Trying to lift that rig would be like swinging a bat in a broom closet. Not very effective!

Sometimes I have a warped sense of humor. This guy is just warped, and needs to be fined for ignorance, among the other infractions...

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

I live in KY and it is legal to open carry without a license. I do have a KY CCDW permit that is reciprocal in 42 states the last time I checked. I open carry 90% of the time as a deterrent. My rational is this, if you are a criminal or just some hot head the chances of them targeting you are greatly reduced simply by the fact that they can see you are a "hard target" instead of a push over........