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I was a POST certified officer when Arizona offered the first CCW permit. I actually took a civilian class and obtained the permit and have maintained it to this day. A few colleges thought I was nuts since I didn't have to do that, but my logic was that when things got down to the wire, I was NOT an officer in all places that I visited, and I felt that my training, and the fact that I took the class for civilians as well , could be a plus in a legal situation in other jurisdictions.

I retired and live in the mountains in Idaho. I am in my second renewal for the Idaho permit, as well as maintaining the Arizona permit. With a few exceptions, I'm covered anywhere I care to visit, and even Oregon (they don't recognize CCW permits from other states) has a statute that covers retired LEO's.

Here's my question: A bunch of friends who are all retired LEOs from around the country, are setting up a shoot in which I will participate, with a POST instructor, that will allow them to obtain or requalify for the 50 state permit. They don't seem to understand why I wouldn't be interested in that permit, and am comfortable with what I have now.

Whatta ya think? Should I go to the 1 year permit, or stay with my 5 year permits that I am comfortable with?

Probably a dumb question for some of you, but I'll be interested to hear your views.
 

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50 state permit sounds worthwhile...

Why not get it in addition to your other permits? Sounds like you'll be shooting the match anyway...
 

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It's like you said, you are covered where you would care to visit, so I don't see the need to get the 50 state. I was just looking into my states reciprocity the other day and realized that besides the communist states like CT, MA, NY,NJ, CA, and the like I can carry just about anywhere. And I'll be honest, given those states disregard for the 2nd Amendment I don't care to visit them anyway.
 
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Doesn't make sense to me to get a permit you're probably not going to use. Are you planning to hang out with your friends and go to the shoot regardless? If that's the case, why not go for it?
 

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I don't do well with either/or decisions. I maneuver towards both/and. Is both/and an option?
 

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Have no doubt. I will shoot with the gang and enjoy their company. But I don't think I'll be 'driven' to have my name on another credential issued by a government entity. Thanks for your thoughts.
 

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Well, I'm from New Mexico and when I retired I moved to Arizona and have maintained my LEOSA permit since. I travel to New York and New Jersey to visit relatives every year or so, so the LEOSA card enables me to carry there. An Arizona or any other state would not. Yes yearly quals are a pain but at least I can show that I qualify to the same standards as Arizona POST.
 

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Do you have the information from the issuing agency? I ask this because I can't find such an "animal" and especially knowing how New York and Illinois are I just see flashing lights here.
 

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The issuing agency can differ from state to state. NM & AZ it's the State DPS. The wife and I are thinking of moving to South Dakota (buying a RV) for Tax reasons (very cheap to live, low taxes) but I'm still trying to find out how LEOSA works there. SD Sec. of State referred me to the State A.G. still waiting for a reply.
 

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The issuing agency can differ from state to state. NM & AZ it's the State DPS. The wife and I are thinking of moving to South Dakota (buying a RV) for Tax reasons (very cheap to live, low taxes) but I'm still trying to find out how LEOSA works there. SD Sec. of State referred me to the State A.G. still waiting for a reply.
I'm confused. Doesn't LEOSA work the same throughout the states?
 

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Short answer is yes. Some states make it more difficult to implement. If you have a retired ID and meet all of the other qualifications, your annual qualification is all that is needed. Read the law carefully and you will see the different types of qualifications that you can do. Great law and much responsibility given to us as retired LEO, the only drawback is that no one has your back should you pull the trigger.
 

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I would trade my 5 year permit for 1 year 50 state permit in a heartbeat!

I travel occasionally for work and I hate it when I have leave my G19 behind because I'm going to state with oppressive gun laws.
 

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the only drawback is that no one has your back should you pull the trigger.
I take that to mean there are two standards for self defense/termination of a threat ?

:p

A bit of sarcasm if I may .....

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6 in one...1/2 dozen in the other. FL has one of the (if not the) best reciprocity agreements of any state in the US. Just the same, if I was to travel to one of the "New" states on the northern Atlantic Ocean (where I have relatives) of the eastern continental US, I'd be screwed. If you can maintain both and there is even a remote possibility that you will travel to a non-second amendment state, why not go for it???


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LEOSA is misunderstood by so many State and Local police agencies across the country. NYPD has historically refused to get up to date with this law (HR-218 LEOSA). There are a few stories about NYPD stopping retired police carrying proper creds, and escort them to the precinct where they make them leave their weapons while staying in NYC.

Basically the law states that legitimate retired law enforcement (defined as serving 10 or more years with a sworn law enforcement agency, and separating from that agency in good standing), with issued retired law enforcement creds, and proof of an annual pistol qualification, may carry concealed a handgun in all 50 states. The qualification may be through the agency you separated from OR an approved law enforcement course in the jurisdiction in which the officer currently resides in.

If you guys need or want additional information with more details, I recommend reaching out to the NRA Law Enforcement Division in Virginia. They are very helpful and knowledgeable about LEOSA law.

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I take that to mean there are two standards for self defense/termination of a threat ?

:p

A bit of sarcasm if I may .....

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If active LEO, the entity where your employed has your back as a active LEO. Of course, as long as you obeyed the law when you pull the trigger. Otherwise, as a retired LEO, your otherwise in the same category as a civilian would be if they pulled the trigger.

During a grand jury investigation, you would need a attorney to represent your interests. If active duty LEO, no need to lawyer up. The entity has it covered. And then, in a civil suit as well.
 

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I'm a retired Fed and live in Indiana. I chose to get my Indiana lifetime permit and not the retired LEO type because the reciprocal accepting states had most of the states I cared to travel through. Our neighboring state of Illinois is a piece of work though! I may have to pray for a professional courtesy but I've gotten to the point where I fly most everywhere that I want to go.
 

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Get both, LEOSA & CCW, also consider a Self Defense insurance policy, most offer LEO discounts. I believe that in Illinois, LE agencies with a Range & Range officers may issue LEOSA credentials to their retired LEO's after qualifying. Retired LEO'S whos PD's do not offer LEOSA must go to ISP and pay $100.00 annually and qualify at a local public range. I would like to see the ISP fee and length of LEOSA credential mirror that of the CCW permit...Illinois legislation at its' best.
 

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I shoot every year with my retiring agency with line Officers and get an ID card good for the next annual qual. I have also went to the Training Academy in my State and qualified there if my date rolls over before my Agency has a date.
 
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