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I think the response time on a 911 call to that address just went up by a considerable amount. This is one of the most rediculious things I have heard in a long time.
 

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No worries, if an armed gunman enters the building with intent to rob and kill he will be politely asked to leave the premises. :p
 

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Big change coming in that managers career... and why would only the female officers gun bother the patrons?
 

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Big change coming in that managers career... and why would only the female officers gun bother the patrons?
The way I interpretted it, was that the female detective was the only one that was spotted by the patron. I did read a follow up to the article that said the "ban" of Denny's has been lifted by the Police Chief. They sat down with the GM and agreed that it was a big over-reaction by the manager, and they apologized profusely.
 

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The Chief may have lifted the ban but I don't think they will get many LEOs eating there anymore.
 

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There's always a bad apple in every bushel. It seems this is more a reflection on the ignorance of that particular manager than on Denny's as an entity. Perhaps the more prudent course of action would have been to say to the lady who complained, "Well, ma'am, I apologize that it makes you uncomfortable, but those detectives are just trying to enjoy a meal while they're working hard to protect you. Perhaps we could move you to a different part of the restaurant where you can't see them? I'll even throw in free coffee for your trouble."
 

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Very smooth...
 

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23. Perfect example of Diplomacy at it's best to diffuse a situation. Would have educated that patron as to whome she had the pleasure of dining with too.
 

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Well thanks for your votes, fellas. That's my answer after having time to think about it. In reality, my answer to the woman would likely have been, "Lady, are you (expletive) serious?!"
 

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NY23 that was a great example of professionalism and courtesy..Quite honestly I would feel safer in a public place if I did happen to notice Detective LEO "printing"... even though I had mine, it relieves me of the responsibility should SHTF. CONGRATS !!! you have just been promoted to the new manager of the Belleville Denny's Congrats :).
 

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Now, now. That is the fire fighter in you coming out when working a wreck on a highway and an idiot almost hits you because they wanted to see the carnage. Flares do bounce off of sheet metal fairly well. ;-) lol
 

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Now, now. That is the fire fighter in you coming out when working a wreck on a highway and an idiot almost hits you because they wanted to see the carnage. Flares do bounce off of sheet metal fairly well. ;-) lol
Our local LEO's do a really good job of traffic control, and generally the highway is shut down for a tool job. But yes, I've been in that place you speak of ;)
 

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Our local LEO's do a really good job of traffic control, and generally the highway is shut down for a tool job. But yes, I've been in that place you speak of ;)
The Local LEO's where I ran also were outstanding at traffic control, once they arrived. Then again, that nice shiny Class A pumper with 750 gal of water as a blocker was always comforting. My last year as an Lt on the Rescue Company, we had three vehicles, each an extrication on the interstate during rush hour. Talk about pissed off people. One guy actually came running up to the IC's buggy "would you mind telling them to hurry up getting those people cut out of those cars?! I have to get home to make sure my son cut the grass!" WTF?! The state trooper found no humor and cuffed the guy for interfering with us.
 

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Five LEO's eating breakfast at Denny's doesn't bother me, but who's protecting the city ? Doesn't anybody eat breakfast at home anymore. I've always felt pretty safe whenever I've seen an armed officer in a store or restaurant.
 

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I was at a restaurant recently and two guys came in dressed in suits. No big deal. They were escorted to their table by the waitress like anyone else. Then, they took their jackets off with guns, badges and handcuffs showing and sat down. Everyone in that area was staring at them. I thought it was slightly unprofessional and they were showing off.

If they are on a plain clothes assignment and carry concealed, it should stay concealed just like anyone else who is CCW. Now, before I get flamed for my opinion, I'll say that I wasn't always a firefighter or fire marshal. I've worked at two different LE agencies. One a Sheriff's office and the other as a Lt. in a municipal department.
 

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As a prosecutor who wears a suit every day and a gun on my hip under my jacket, I couldn't disagree with you more. First, the only reason the gun is concealed is because we are wearing a jacket. It's not like it needs to be concealed or anything. When on duty, any law enforcement other than undercover can and should be able to have a visible gun. Do you complain when a uniformed officer has an overcoat on in inclement weather and takes it off to reveal his gun? What's the difference for an officer in a suit? Secondly, and probably more importantly, it is proper etiquette when wearing a suit to remove your jacket before sitting down to eat. So your assumption that they were "showing off" or being "unprofessional" is seriously misplaced. They were showing the proper etiquette for people dressed such as they were. Their "showing off" was only in your head and I'm certain it was not their intent and likely never crossed their mind. When walking around my office, I have my jacket off all the time revealing my duty weapon. It has never once crossed my mind that it was showing off in any way. My gun is part of my uniform, as is my suit. I put it on in the morning and hopefully don't have to think about it again until the end of the work day. So I seriously doubt they were showing off.
 

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As a prosecutor who wears a suit every day and a gun on my hip under my jacket, I couldn't disagree with you more. First, the only reason the gun is concealed is because we are wearing a jacket. It's not like it needs to be concealed or anything. When on duty, any law enforcement other than undercover can and should be able to have a visible gun. Do you complain when a uniformed officer has an overcoat on in inclement weather and takes it off to reveal his gun? What's the difference for an officer in a suit? Secondly, and probably more importantly, it is proper etiquette when wearing a suit to remove your jacket before sitting down to eat. So your assumption that they were "showing off" or being "unprofessional" is seriously misplaced. They were showing the proper etiquette for people dressed such as they were. Their "showing off" was only in your head and I'm certain it was not their intent and likely never crossed their mind. When walking around my office, I have my jacket off all the time revealing my duty weapon. It has never once crossed my mind that it was showing off in any way. My gun is part of my uniform, as is my suit. I put it on in the morning and hopefully don't have to think about it again until the end of the work day. So I seriously doubt they were showing off.
As a former LEO albeit long ago I must agree. I was uniformed but required to be armed at all times by departmental policy. I both concealed and wore openly NEVER giving any thought about such. When off duty my badge was on my belt inches from my firearm, the only difference being we were not required to carry cuffs and other equipment. My son is a Detective with Oklahoma City and he does the same as Zenas outlined and if you knew my son at all the very last thing on your mind would be if his firearm was showing or not. I can honestly understand the perception, especially by folks who have never walked the thin blue line but please allow me to say officers are people just like everyone else but with a sense of wanting to serve. It's well known by officers that there are 7 phases in most officers lives and rather than go through them I am sure anyone can do their own research but being "badge heavy" is one. That said just about any officer I have ever known who entered that phase was just about as rapidly called out by his fellow LEO's on it. Lets just be honest here.....their removing their coats just kept what they were shoving into their "pie holes" off their suit jackets.....they do have to be cleaned you know. Be SAFE.....Shoot WELL
 
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