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doesn't penetrate but maybe 10inches at the most. that gel in the tip often plugs it up and causes it not to expand. exactly the opposite of what it's supposed to do. personally, i'd leave this gimmicky ammo alone.


go with federal HST, speer gold dot, or federal tactical bonded. much cheaper too in the 50round LE boxes ;)
 

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Speer Gold Dot
Winchester Ranger
Federal HST
Golden Saber

These ... in any order. The Gold Dots or HSTs will probably be the vest "value". That's what I usually find anyway. Check SGAmmo.com . They're great to deal with.
 

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You need to carry fmj as JHP will jam up in the clothing. :)

I kid I kid...

As Vol and Don said, HSTs, Gold Dots, Rangers..
 

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I'm suprised this round isn't liked on this forum. Everything I've read speaks highly of it for what it's designed for. It is a defense round, you don't want to "over penetrate". It also seems to be one of the best consistant expanding rounds out there (one of). Looks to me like it should get the job done just fine... I'm open for a change of mind however.

Here is a good review video:
 

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I just personally believe there are better rounds. HSTs, Sspeer Gold Dots and Rangers are my top picks in any caliber.
 

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I'm suprised this round isn't liked on this forum. Everything I've read speaks highly of it for what it's designed for. It is a defense round, you don't want to "over penetrate". It also seems to be one of the best consistant expanding rounds out there (one of). Looks to me like it should get the job done just fine... I'm open for a change of mind however.

Here is a good review video:
I tested that round and Winchester, Federal and Remington. (granted not in flesh or ballistic gel) The hornady .40 S&W went all the way through a frozen 1 gal milk jug with ZERO expansion. Not my cup-o-tea.
 

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I'm suprised this round isn't liked on this forum. Everything I've read speaks highly of it for what it's designed for. It is a defense round, you don't want to "over penetrate". It also seems to be one of the best consistant expanding rounds out there (one of). Looks to me like it should get the job done just fine... I'm open for a change of mind however.

Here is a good review video:
Thanks for sharing that was a great video .
 

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I tested that round and Winchester, Federal and Remington. (granted not in flesh or ballistic gel) The hornady .40 S&W went all the way through a frozen 1 gal milk jug with ZERO expansion. Not my cup-o-tea.
Did you just test one round ? Thats crazy not to get any expansion with that frozen jug . How did the others do ? You dont have any pics by chance ? Sorry for all the questions but you've sparked my interset with your test.
 

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I tested that round and Winchester, Federal and Remington. (granted not in flesh or ballistic gel) The hornady .40 S&W went all the way through a frozen 1 gal milk jug with ZERO expansion. Not my cup-o-tea.
What is gained by using frozen jugs instead of just water jugs? A round should act like a FMJ when striking a solid object shouldn't it? Then expand in the softer material? I'm honestly curious. Ballistics isn't my strong point. Too much science to it... ;)
Here is another link that shows results in just water jugs:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/ammo/131866-tested-hornady-critical-defense-38-special-110gr-p.html

No I'm not a rep...just trying to find the most effective round for defense... :)
 

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What is gained by using frozen jugs instead of just water jugs? A round should act like a FMJ when striking a solid object shouldn't it? Then expand in the softer material? I'm honestly curious. Ballistics isn't my strong point. Too much science to it... ;)
Here is another link that shows results in just water jugs:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/ammo/131866-tested-hornady-critical-defense-38-special-110gr-p.html

No I'm not a rep...just trying to find the most effective round for defense... :)
Didn't have enough jugs on hand to ensure stopping rounds, so went with frozen. Wanted to capture. IMO, I definately want
the round to expand when it hits ANYTHING. I have no intention of trying to shoot a perp through a windshield
or wall. If anything, I want it to stop in walls so as not to enter neighbors house etc. As mentioned, all rounds I
tested were .40 S&W. I consider them to be a good mix of range, accuracy, power without being "too strong". The
.40 is my home defense round shot with a gen2 G22. Again, the Winchester PDX1 and the Hornady (not the plugged tip slug)
personal defense round overpenetrated in my mind. The "Remmy" did just what I wanted.

My brother said "well, that's great if you plan on shooting ice sculptures". I think he missed the point entirely. And though his
statement does have some merit...take the test for what it's worth
 

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Didn't have enough jugs on hand to ensure stopping rounds, so went with frozen. Wanted to capture. IMO, I definately want
the round to expand when it hits ANYTHING. I have no intention of trying to shoot a perp through a windshield
or wall. If anything, I want it to stop in walls so as not to enter neighbors house etc. As mentioned, all rounds I
tested were .40 S&W. I consider them to be a good mix of range, accuracy, power without being "too strong". The
.40 is my home defense round shot with a gen2 G22. Again, the Winchester PDX1 and the Hornady (not the plugged tip slug)
personal defense round overpenetrated in my mind. The "Remmy" did just what I wanted.

My brother said "well, that's great if you plan on shooting ice sculptures". I think he missed the point entirely. And though his
statement does have some merit...take the test for what it's worth
Thats some good points you make there. I'll have to give those a shot and do some testing myself now! Thanks for the good info...
 

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Didn't have enough jugs on hand to ensure stopping rounds, so went with frozen. Wanted to capture. IMO, I definately want
the round to expand when it hits ANYTHING. I have no intention of trying to shoot a perp through a windshield
or wall. If anything, I want it to stop in walls so as not to enter neighbors house etc. As mentioned, all rounds I
tested were .40 S&W. I consider them to be a good mix of range, accuracy, power without being "too strong". The
.40 is my home defense round shot with a gen2 G22. Again, the Winchester PDX1 and the Hornady (not the plugged tip slug)
personal defense round overpenetrated in my mind. The "Remmy" did just what I wanted.

My brother said "well, that's great if you plan on shooting ice sculptures". I think he missed the point entirely. And though his
statement does have some merit...take the test for what it's worth
Thanks for sharing and did you say it was a Hornady round but not the critical defence round ?
 

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Thanks for sharing and did you say it was a Hornady round but not the critical defence round ?
The specific Hornady round I tested was the XTP JHP. Was not Critical Defense. I believe the critical defense round (haven't fired that one) is the one with the plugged hollow point? That round has been said by many, to not function as advertised. Again, I have not personally tested or fired that round.
 

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The specific Hornady round I tested was the XTP JHP. Was not Critical Defense. I believe the critical defense round (haven't fired that one) is the one with the plugged hollow point? That round has been said by many, to not function as advertised. Again, I have not personally tested or fired that round.
Yes critical defense is the one with the plugged nose. I am sporting that round because its designed to penetrate less than most rounds...and still flower out nice. I'll have to do some ballistics on it...but until this forum, I haven't found anything but positive on them. They don't have as much "power" as some hollow points...but thats not what you personally are looking for anyhow.
 
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