[Glocky]

Who has experienced Glock hate at the range?


Basically every time I go to the range, I get at least one older guy asking me what Im shooting. I tell them its a Glock and they snicker and make comments about how they shoot like crap and the triggers are horrible and guns shouldnt be plastic and cant shoot reloads and they blow up...blah blah blah. I offer every one of them my Glock and a full mag, and not one single time has any of them tried it out.

The only upside to this, is Ive gotten to try out quite a few high end 1911s along the way. suckas! lol.

 

[Tshark]

This just happened to me the other day. An older fellow was criticizing me for shooting my foreign handgun. He was giving me a speech about how many great firearms are made in the USA. I asked him what he was shooting and he proudly handed me his 1911 to take a look at....you should have seen his face when I pointed out that his was made in the Philippines.

 

[coop]

so far never, everyone who works at the range I go carries a Glock.

So I guess you could call it a Glock range

 

[Don Glock]

i got glock hate from an XD 'tard at the range once. informed him i used to own an XD, and it was a steamy pile.

 

[NWGlocker]

This just happened to me the other day. An older fellow was criticizing me for shooting my foreign handgun. He was giving me a speech about how many great firearms are made in the USA. I asked him what he was shooting and he proudly handed me his 1911 to take a look at....you should have seen his face when I pointed out that his was made in the Philippines.

... and you scored a sweet deal on a used 1911

 

[kaboom]

Nobody hates on my Glock until after I put it away.....

 

[jlw]

I've experienced it, but I think it has died down some.

 

[EdF702]

Turtles don't talk smack to armed giants!

 

[230therapy]

I've had people criticize my Glocks...the usual "grip angle" whining and so forth. I pick up the gun and rip off a bunch of double taps and generally get a 2" group or so.

They shut up. Actions speak louder than words.

I usually offer to show them the trick of it, but they frequently decline.

Anyone who whines about "grip angle" is admitting that they are not proficient in handgun shooting. The grip angle has nothing to do with aligning the sights and controlling the trigger. It may affect follow-up shots, but training and practice take care of that.

Another guy had a brand new SIG P220 Carry. He was shooting 12" groups at 20 feet and grumbling about it. I looked over and said "Oh, a P220 Carry. Great gun and easy to shoot." This led to a conversation on trigger control. He didn't believe me, so I put five rounds in a 1" group at 20 feet. He was impressed, but only because he didn't know the tricks. Once I showed him the tricks, he was getting 4" groups with the occasional flier. I encouraged him to dry fire frequently using the double action and it would all sort itself out over 5-10 range sessions.

The tricks are:

1) Pull the DA with more finger through the trigger
2) Very tight support hand--use it to counteract any movement caused by pulling the trigger
3) Press the support hand thumb against the frame in a balanced way...balance the pressures
4) Focus upon pulling straight back
5) Shoot from the reset (There are only two pulls: the long pull and the reset pull. Almost all guns have this)
6) Understand that pressure must be balanced between the hands
7) The shooter can use his or her trigger finger as a stop by putting even more finger through the trigger guard. See Jerry Miculek's videos on shooting revolvers.

If someone can handle a 12-15 pound pull on a revolver, SIG, or similar gun, then anything else is easier. However, most people simply need something to blame for their failure and guns don't talk back.

 

[__jb]

Good information, 230...

Thanks for sharing!

 

[kaboom]

Thanks 230!!

 

[NWGlocker]

+1 and a thumbs up for 230therapy.

230-- Could I send you to this thread in the training and tactics section? I'm sure the OP could use your advice.

http://glock.pro/showthread.php/962-help-with-shooting

 

[kaboom]

Everybody hates a winner!!!!

 

[sfguard]

I haven't been on the receiving end of much Glock hate. Only from one guy as I recall and he couldn't shoot very well and I ran circles around him every time I was at the range with him. He was never smart enough to shut up though. Oh well, I guess you don't have to be a rocket surgeon to open your mouth though do you?

 

[jlw]

I've had people criticize my Glocks...the usual "grip angle" whining and so forth. I pick up the gun and rip off a bunch of double taps and generally get a 2" group or so.

They shut up. Actions speak louder than words.

I usually offer to show them the trick of it, but they frequently decline.

Anyone who whines about "grip angle" is admitting that they are not proficient in handgun shooting. The grip angle has nothing to do with aligning the sights and controlling the trigger. It may affect follow-up shots, but training and practice take care of that.

Another guy had a brand new SIG P220 Carry. He was shooting 12" groups at 20 feet and grumbling about it. I looked over and said "Oh, a P220 Carry. Great gun and easy to shoot." This led to a conversation on trigger control. He didn't believe me, so I put five rounds in a 1" group at 20 feet. He was impressed, but only because he didn't know the tricks. Once I showed him the tricks, he was getting 4" groups with the occasional flier. I encouraged him to dry fire frequently using the double action and it would all sort itself out over 5-10 range sessions.

The tricks are:

1) Pull the DA with more finger through the trigger
2) Very tight support hand--use it to counteract any movement caused by pulling the trigger
3) Press the support hand thumb against the frame in a balanced way...balance the pressures
4) Focus upon pulling straight back
5) Shoot from the reset (There are only two pulls: the long pull and the reset pull. Almost all guns have this)
6) Understand that pressure must be balanced between the hands
7) The shooter can use his or her trigger finger as a stop by putting even more finger through the trigger guard. See Jerry Miculek's videos on shooting revolvers.

If someone can handle a 12-15 pound pull on a revolver, SIG, or similar gun, then anything else is easier. However, most people simply need something to blame for their failure and guns don't talk back.

I was trained that the support hand shuuld provide most of the strength of the grip with the strong hand more relaxed. This puts less tension on the trigger finger allowing for a smoother pull. Try putting your arm straight out in front of you and clinching your fist tight and then mimmicking a trigger pull. Then do the same thing with a more relaxed fist. Which pull was smoother?

I have just enough finger on the trigger to be able to pull it straight back. The trigger should bisect the pad. Anything more than that will start pushing shots to the support hand side.

As for thumbs, I don't even touch the frame with my support hand thumb. It is pointing straight toward the target along side the frame but not touching. Touching the frame works provided you don't get a shooter that puts too much pressure on the thumb causing him/her to push the frame in a flinch.

 

[Tailhunter]

Hey, ignorance breads contention.

 

[pistolero_loco]

Who has experienced Glock hate at the range?

Seems very polarizing. Either folks love them or hate them, nothing in between. I used to kind of hate them simply because they were so popular. I finally bought one and was very very pleased. Count me now on the "love em" side now. I have two a 17 and a 26. I sold several other pistols that I had. I won't be selling the Glocks.

 

[DWinter]

You think there are Glock haters out there, Try showing up at the range with the Sigma. Bad part about it, at least for everyone else, mine shoots like a champ. Yeah it's been mod'd but so what. My SW40VE shoots as well as my G30SF no doubt. (Yeah I said it) So I listen to the BS, smile, put a few shots down range, then pull out my Glock and do the same thing to another spot on the target. Then for a true suprise, I pull out my Rossi 461 and do almost as well double action as the other weapons. The conversation usually changes at that point. First a Glock owner having a Sigma, Then seeing both Glock and Sigma will easily cloverleaf 5 of 10 rounds at 7 yards. Shooting one particular pistol well, that's great. Shooting multiple types and brands well, that makes you a shooter. Sorry but there's less BAD GUNS out there than there are BAD SHOOTERS. It's like blaming your pencil for bad penmanship.

 

[blackriderhank]

Or blaming rosie odonells fork for her being fat rofl

 

[DWinter]

LOL Rosie's fork. Now there's a high mileage unit