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With my three-year Glock Armorer certificate about to expire, it was time to get into the class again, so I completed it today at a nearby Police Department. I'd say we had about 35 students, with just a few GSSF members:the rest were Law Enforcement. I enjoy attending classes with LE people because they're serious (at least on a topic like this), polite, professional, and attentive, so we didn't waste five minutes all day.

Without a complete rehash of the contents of the first Armorer Class, I can report that Glock has apparently been continually improving the course: the presentation materials were updated, and the content seemed a little more rich and less filled with stories, although there were a few. We worked on Gen4 G22s, and I think we probably detail stripped and reassembled them six to ten times, maybe more. Not too much, but enough to get you accustomed to the process. I'd rate the classroom work 5 on a scale of 1 to 5, I wasn't bored for one second.

The Armorer's Manual has been updated, and was presented along with an Addendum and an Attachment Sheet for Gen4. The "slide presentation" was updated quite a bit, with several new animations that I didn't see three years ago. All in all, a good class and well worth the time and money.

I picked up a couple of things that I either hadn't heard before or was just plain not paying attention:

1. If you have an engagement problem between the striker nose and the trigger bar, you might be able to use SP 01293: "Trigger with trigger bar - G19 pre-EH ser #s (marked + on top of cruciform) (grooved trigger)". This part has more "kick" at the cruciform, and may fix weak engagement. If you're puzzled by that, say so, and I can go into more detail in another post.

2. I don't know how I missed this one, but there's a new trigger housing and ejector for .40 Gen4, P/N 28927: "Trigger Mechanism Housing w/ejector installed - fits .40 Gen4". This ejector, marked 28926, has the angled tip that has worked so well in 9mm. I'll be ordering some of those to try them on Gen3 G35s..I know of two that are producing "Brass To Face", maybe this part will help. I'll buy the trigger mechanism housings, pull out the ejectors, and install them in Gen3 housings to try to effect a cure.​

Other handy stuff:

1. The older RSAs were good for 5,000 rounds, then they should be replaced. The new Gen4 RSAs have a replacement recommendation at 10,000 rounds, but they haven't had one break yet (!).

2. The slide nose ring and rails can be bent if the slide is dropped, and they won't be repaired under warranty. So, don't drop the slide. We had a recent case on this Forum where a Member had damage to the rails, and some of us thought it would be covered. It won't.

3. With the slide out of the gun, pulling the firing pin back and letting it slam into the firing pin safety can damage both parts. Don't do it.​

This will get the keyboards humming: use a small drop of GREASE (not oil, GREASE) between the trigger bar and connector, and apply a dab of grease to the slide cam. Oil the slide rails, let the oil run down the rails by holding the slide vertically.

Chris
 
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Nice post Chris! I hope to take the course in the future, when I have "time" who knows when that might be!!


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thanks Chris!! I'm due in the fall, so looking forward to it. never thought about lube on the slide cam.

did they have the cutout Glock for you to inspect?
 

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thanks Chris!! I'm due in the fall, so looking forward to it. never thought about lube on the slide cam.

did they have the cutout Glock for you to inspect?
You're welcome, of course. There was no cutout pistol there, if there had been I would have tried to take it home. The new animations really do a better job of explaining the innards, you'll enjoy it. As I mentioned, the material is evolving, it's worth the time and money.

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Makes sense to use grease on the connector and camming ramp along with oil for the rails...

Good review, Chris...
 

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Thanks for the post Chris. I'm going down to Smyrna for re-certification on December 10th.
Sounds like quite a few things change in 3 years.
 

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_jb, it's about time for you to re-certify isn't it? Or have you already?
 

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Great post Chris, good stuff! Thank you :)
 

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Thanks for the post, always a pleasurable and informative read.
I would enjoy a bit more about that striker/trigger bar engagement when you get a chance.
How long has the new .40 trigger housing and ejector been out? I need to check my G22 and see whats in it...
Thanks again!
 

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Thanks for the post, always a pleasurable and informative read.
You're welcome, it's my pleasure.

I would enjoy a bit more about that striker/trigger bar engagement when you get a chance.
In a Glock, the term "engagement" refers to the contact between the cruciform of the trigger bar and the nose of the striker.

Glock Engagement.jpg

The way we're taught to check this is to get the orange partial cover plate, install it, and then inspect engagement by looking through the slot under the orange plate. Correct engagement is at least 2/3 surface contact of the cruciform by the striker nose. The striker is the black part on the top in the drawings. Here's a link to the plate:https://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=523&TERM=orange plate

How long has the new .40 trigger housing and ejector been out? I need to check my G22 and see whats in it...
Thanks again!
I don't know how long the part has been out, but apparently I was asleep when it arrived. It's on the parts list available online at Glock, and should be available through Glockmeister or your other favorite OEM parts supplier.

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Thanks again!!
 

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2. The slide nose ring and rails can be bent if the slide is dropped, and they won't be repaired under warranty. So, don't drop the slide. We had a recent case on this Forum where a Member had damage to the rails, and some of us thought it would be covered. It won't.
I never gave this a thought, something to be very aware of when field stripping at the range .....
 

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Other handy stuff:

1. The older RSAs were good for 5,000 rounds, then they should be replaced. The new Gen4 RSAs have a replacement recommendation at 10,000 rounds, but they haven't had one break yet (!).

This will get the keyboards humming: use a small drop of GREASE (not oil, GREASE) between the trigger bar and connector, and apply a dab of grease to the slide cam. Oil the slide rails, let the oil run down the rails by holding the slide vertically.

Chris​


Chris,

I did my recertification class at Smyrna on Tuesday.
The instructor never mentioned the 10,000 round RSA replacement,
but said replacement was recommended at 5000 rounds.
Something else he offered that I have never heard was that
Gen 3, G22s should have the RSA replaced every 2500 rounds due to pressures!

He never mentioned the grease on the trigger bar/connector or the slide cam, so I asked.
His answer was:.... that nothing in the Armorer's manual has changed (just the oil) and that
it was a personal preference as far as he was concerned (he uses TW25B grease).
other interesting tidbits: Glock produces a polymer frame at their Smyna facility every 65 seconds
and have shipped 1 million Glocks this year and have 1 million backorders?

This is a very worthwhile class, that is totally worth the time and cost involved.​
 

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Chris,

I did my recertification class at Smyrna on Tuesday.
The instructor never mentioned the 10,000 round RSA replacement,
but said replacement was recommended at 5000 rounds.
Something else he offered that I have never heard was that
Gen 3, G22s should have the RSA replaced every 2500 rounds due to pressures!

He never mentioned the grease on the trigger bar/connector or the slide cam, so I asked.
His answer was:.... that nothing in the Armorer's manual has changed (just the oil) and that
it was a personal preference as far as he was concerned (he uses TW25B grease).
other interesting tidbits: Glock produces a polymer frame at their Smyna facility every 65 seconds
and have shipped 1 million Glocks this year and have 1 million backorders?

This is a very worthwhile class, that is totally worth the time and cost involved.
Rowdie,

It's really strange that different information is being taught in the Armorer's class. Did I make it clear that the 10,000 round limit was for the Gen4 RSA?

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Rowdie,

It's really strange that different information is being taught in the Armorer's class. Did I make it clear that the 10,000 round limit was for the Gen4 RSA?

Chris
Sure, you were very clear on the Gen 4 RSA. Different info being put out there is what I was implying.
I would think if grease was needed at the trigger bar/connector, there would have been something
in the addenda to the manual showing that.
 

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Sure, you were very clear on the Gen 4 RSA. Different info being put out there is what I was implying.
I would think if grease was needed at the trigger bar/connector, there would have been something
in the addenda to the manual showing that.
Well, I took it for Gospel, but apparently it was just a personal recommendation. The good news is that it's not hard to try, anyway.

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Well, I took it for Gospel, but apparently it was just a personal recommendation. The good news is that it's not hard to try, anyway.

Chris
Chris, can I get a clarification here, a dab of grease on the cruciform, and slide cam, but this is a personal recommendation from an armorer? Well, it's no big deal to do, so i'll do it, just hoping no build up of crud?

Thanks,
FT:cool:
 

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Chris, can I get a clarification here, a dab of grease on the cruciform, and slide cam, but this is a personal recommendation from an armorer? Well, it's no big deal to do, so i'll do it, just hoping no build up of crud?

Thanks,
FT:cool:
That was the recommendation of the instructor in the Armorer's Class, whose name I did not write down. It was the class held at Woodburn, Oregon, on November 19,2013.

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That was the recommendation of the instructor in the Armorer's Class, whose name I did not write down. It was the class held at Woodburn, Oregon, on November 19,2013.

Chris
Well, okay then. I can't see anything too terribly wrong with this idea. Might as well give it a try.
Thanks,
FT:cool:
 
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