[44Mag]

Ok, so after doing quite a few searches either I am not looking in the right places or I really am the only person in history who actually "wants" to make my Gen-4 23 have a heavier pull...

I was given some suggestions in an intro post about the NY 1 and NY 2 Trigger springs.. So I went ahead and ordered them and they will be here on Friday.. My concern however is this: before I ordered them I should have asked if I can use them in a Gen 4 Fire Control? More over, do I need to replace anything else? My case says 5.5lb so I assume that means the system is the 5 pound trigger but I really would like to firm it up for Concealed carry purpose and it "sounds" like a NY trigger spring is EXACTLY what I need. I just want to know if I am going to run into any trouble with the 8lb or 12lb spring depending on which one I like the feel of.. Again this is all hinging on whether or not I can even use the spring in the Gen 4...

Thank you in advance for any help with this matter!

44Mag

 

[TheLaw]

You are the first person I have personally known to increase the trigger weight. 99.9% of people leave it stock or decrease the weight. I'm sure someone will be along shortly with information for you.

 

[44Mag]

You are the first person I have personally known to increase the trigger weight. 99.9% of people leave it stock or decrease the weight. I'm sure someone will be along shortly with information for you.

LoL, thanks Law... Leave it to me to be the one who has to be different... Story of my life I suppose..

 

[EdF702]

Look into the NYPD trigger bars. Hers's a couple of links for you...

Trigger Spring NY1 17 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 Olive

Trigger Spring NY2 17 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 Orange

These are designed to give a "revolver like" trigger feel. I haven't used them myself, but they do have quite the following. If you google search "Glock NY trigger bars" you'll get more info than you need.

 

[44Mag]

Those are the parts I ordered... I wanted to know if I need to change anything else? OR just install the trigger spring which gives the feel i am looking for by itself and that's it?

 

[TheLaw]

Trigger Spring should be all.

 

[44Mag]

Excellent, Thank you all for the info.. It seems like actually changing the part is a few minutes tops depending on how much of a monkey loving a football the OEM spring wants to be getting off the block itself.. Once I get that part off its really just a straight forward drop in and reassemble. Then hit the range and see how I like it.. Guess tomorrow will be the "judgment day" since the 2 different springs are coming in from UPS.. I will keep ya posted though!

 

[EdF702]

Those are the parts I ordered... I wanted to know if I need to change anything else? OR just install the trigger spring which gives the feel i am looking for by itself and that's it?

I'm sorry, I either didn't completely read, or misread your initial post.... I think you'll find the installation to be very easy and straight forward. There are ways to further "alter" the trigger pull weight using different connectors with the NY1 or NY2 trigger spring assemblies.

Here's a link to a discussion from another forum discussing this set-up at length.

Glock's NY1 trigger..

Let us know what think about yours when you've tried it.

 

[Rowdie]

44Mag, be sure to save the OEM spring, just in case you don't like the pull!
The NY 1 trigger spring with a 5.5 connector will give you a 9 lb. trigger pull,
and the NY 2 spring will give you an 11 lb. pull. You can get an 8 lb. pull by using
the standard OEM spring and a 8 lb. (+) connector. You should never use and 8 lb.
connector and any NY trigger spring.

 

[__jb]

44Mag - Have you tried shooting your 23 the way it came? Might be worthwhile to shoot it the way it came before you start changing things...

 

[cohland]

Ok, so after doing quite a few searches either I am not looking in the right places or I really am the only person in history who actually "wants" to make my Gen-4 23 have a heavier pull...

I was given some suggestions in an intro post about the NY 1 and NY 2 Trigger springs.. So I went ahead and ordered them and they will be here on Friday.. My concern however is this: before I ordered them I should have asked if I can use them in a Gen 4 Fire Control? More over, do I need to replace anything else? My case says 5.5lb so I assume that means the system is the 5 pound trigger but I really would like to firm it up for Concealed carry purpose and it "sounds" like a NY trigger spring is EXACTLY what I need. I just want to know if I am going to run into any trouble with the 8lb or 12lb spring depending on which one I like the feel of.. Again this is all hinging on whether or not I can even use the spring in the Gen 4...

The GEN4 Armorer's Manual Attachment Sheet does not mention the NY triggers, so I think it is safe to assume that the springs you have ordered will work in a Gen4 G23.

As Rowdie correctly noted, the connector that's in your gun can also be a factor in the trigger pull, especially when combined with the "+" connector. Be careful. The use of the NY springs was mentioned in the Armorer's course, but since I never see LEO guns I have no direct experience with these springs. I do recall the instructor telling us that the reason for the introduction of the NY trigger springs was to increase the trigger pull to approximate that of a double-action revolver.

The Moderator __jb asked if you had fired the gun as it came out of the box, and that's a good question. Since the box was marked "5.5 lb" I believe that means it has a 5.5lb connector. The trigger pull weight is likely to be between 5.5 and 6.5 pounds, but will soften up a little as it is broken in and the finish on the metal parts that touch each other is burnished. For carry purposes, I think that a Glock is about right as it comes out of the box, but of course personal preference needs to be considered.

Quoting the Glock Armorer's Manual:

"If using the NY1 (olive green) or NY2 (orange) trigger spring: insert the spring down inside the trigger mechanism housing and ensure that it is oriented correctly. Ensure that the catch on the lower end of the NY Trigger Spring snaps into the slot at the rear of the trigger housing."

There is a curve at the rear of the trigger that should fit into the curve of the trigger mechanism housing. Once you have removed the original trigger spring, you should not have any trouble installing the NY spring(s).

Your reason for wanting to increase the trigger pull weight was not explained, that is your business. I think you are seeing some questions from the forum about your plans because the Glock has quite a long trigger pull, and with the three safeties (trigger, firing pin, and drop) all working, the gun is quite safe. I am not at all sure that making the trigger pull heavier will make the pistol any more safe, but this is a free country, and that question is up to you to answer to your satisfaction.

Chris

 

[TheLaw]

I do recall the instructor telling us that the reason for the introduction of the NY trigger springs was to increase the trigger pull to approximate that of a double-action revolver.

This is how I understood the creation of these connectors as well, and since it's been a long time since LEOs switched from revolvers to semi-autos, it's not something that is discussed frequently. Not that that makes it any less valid if a person wants to put one in their firearm.

Great points by all. Thanks for the participation in the discussion.

 

[Otintx]

And all this time I thought the NYT job was Birdbombs idea to keep them from getting sued .....

 

[44Mag]

Thank you all for the info and replies.. I do realize that it is a bit odd to increase the pull rather then decrease it however, my first firearm was a revolver and for some reason I have just always been more comfortable with a firm trigger.. I fired the GEN4 23 at my local range which they had for rental and found it to be a little lighter then I prefer... I also used "snap-caps" in mine and agreed that it was a bit light.. I will see when they arrive tomorrow how I feel about the firmer pull from the 8lb and then go from there..

Again, I do appreciate the concern about making it heavier, I know this is a slightly odd request but then again I never claim to be "normal".. LOL

 

[EdF702]

No worries... you come across as reasonable and responsible. Hey, it's your gun, go for it! The NY trigger spring and the "." connector has been written up in a bunch of places as being an excellent combination. The original "idea" of the NY trigger spring was to transition double action revolver shooters to the Glock trigger.

Just post pics and your impressions when you get it!

 

[44Mag]

** Update !! **

Just installed the NY1 Trigger spring!! I am in love!!! It was a 5 min install and it is a WORLD of difference!! The feel is quite literally **EXACTLY** what I was looking for!! I also picked up a set of Trijicon Night Sights, though I had them installed by an Armorer cause I don't have a sight press so I figured better to leave that job to someone with the right tools.. Either way though I am Completely happy with the feel of this trigger now! My wife is too, she thinks it feels perfect and can't wait to get to the range to try this one!!

Thank you to everyone for the help and suggestions!! Worked like a charm!

 

[TheLaw]

I am Completely happy with the feel of this trigger now!

And this is what matters most. Congrats.

 

[softail99fb]

I agree with _jb. After you shoot the gun you will find out that the short pull through the safteys, then the stop point that lets you know its ready to fire, then the quick snap for the discharge, its very nice the way it is.

At one time I was afraid of an auto-loader for CCW. After lots of draw and dry fire practice, then some range time I wouldn't have mine any other way. No trigger mods at all its great the way Glock made it from the factory!

Edit,,,,,

I must have skipped a page before entering my reply. I didn't see your install reply. Congrats all that matters is your happy!

 

[Rowdie]

Glad it worked out for you. Thanks for posting the pics.

 

[Glock21sf]

There have been some Police that were required to get the same triggers you are talking about I think I read it in Glock's magazine.