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I orderd my holster form them on the 20th of december. I emailed them yesterday and they said that my holster hasnt even been shiped yet!!!!! AAAAAHhhAAAHAhA!!!!
I think it is absolutly CRAZZZZZY! that it is taking 4 weeks (or more ) who knows how long it is going to take now. I think that it is time for crossbreed to expand their company or at least hire some more people so they are a little faster on the draw. I know that they are a very popular compant and make very high quality holsters as this is my 2nd one, but come on......4 WEEKS!!! that is crazzzy.

am i right?

sorry im a little flusterd because ive had to use a crappy holster since then and it is very uncomfortable and the guns cant angle moves on me all the time.
 

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Not trying to be argumentative but your order has only been in for 25 days when they're website shows 3-4 weeks. Add to that the fact that you ordered just before Christmas and New Years so I assume they had a few days off to spend with their families. To put it in perspective, I ordered a holster on 10/21 from Raven. They quoted 12 weeks. Based on their production numbers, my order is no where near being started.

The only holster company that I know of that makes them to order and gets them out "super" fast is Comp-Tac. Typically, you're looking at about a week to 10 days from the time you order to the day it arrives in your mailbox. You won't find many custom holster manufacturers that can touch that timeframe.
 

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I was gonna through out what The Law said, but he beat me to it.
 

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Here is what I did for a customer today:



He ordered it yesterday and off course I am nowhere near their volume of orders ;)
Nice work, where can I get more info? hoe much?
 

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I would say the more human labor involved the more slower the manufacture is - I for an example cut the leather piece by hand and takes me around 10 minutes to sand the edges, put black wax to color it, leather hardener to seal the edge and then polish it with carnauba wax. On the other hand big companies like Comp-tac and Crossbreed have a lot of machinery going into the process - leather is cut with clicker dies on hydraulic press - it takes 5 seconds per piece and no further work is done to finish the edges...

There is however one thing all companies all over the world know perfectly well - they know they have to keep people waiting! This way customers flatter themselves thinking they are on the list for something exquisite! I do not want in any way to underestimate the success and effort the said companies put in but for an example Raven rig similar to what I posted above is sold for $99.00!!! Materials used for the mentioned holster cost $16.00 - I know that because I make them too!
 

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Not to call anyone out individually but ..... (specifically not pointing this at the OP either)

Even if a product takes X minutes to make (which it never does, it always takes longer than the armchair quarterback thinks it takes to make) ... if you have a large volume of said item on order it takes a while to get them all done. It's not just about YOU contrary to what you might think. It might take them X+Y minutes to make YOURS but it takes them a long time to even get around to yours.

In regard to price ... Company X has more than $16 in a holster. That's absurd to even think. Factor in overhead, labor, hardware, expertise, etc. Is $99 excessive? Maybe. I guess it depends. 6 months of backlogged orders think otherwise.

If you don't want it, don't think it's worth the $, don't think it's worth the wait .... make your own or find another company to order from. Don't piss on their parade. It's called Capitalism and if it were your company you would be doing the same thing.

It's not like a company can snap their fingers and instantly expand production capacity.
 

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I see the link now. I couldn't see the pic in his OP.

The product looks mediocre, not bad but not great either. For $60+shipping I could point you to several domestic makers that make a proven product .... and would/could ship to you in the USA.

I'm not trying to dis on Pavel or his product. It just makes me scratch my head when people feel the need to bad mouth a company's price or lead time. If Pavel got some great reviews on M4C or other websites and got a glut of orders he would be in the same boat. His lead times would go through the roof and he would likely raise the prices to invest in more capital. That's how it goes.

It's easy for Bubba that makes stuff in his garage to knock the big companies (which he strives to be) until he himself becomes that big comany. The he defends why his prices and lead time went up like it's SOP.
 

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Ok, Materials and cost - lets talk about the holster I posted above:

Kydex 12"/12" costs $4,15 bought from Knifekits and it is enough to make two holsters - so you have $2,07 expense per holster.
Chicago Screws - Black Coated - pack of 10 cost $2,45 bought in bulk - you need 4 for the attachments so another $1.00 for screws!

So, we got a smashing result - $3.00 for materials!!! Overheads, labor, etc...still very overpriced. Do not get me wrong I have every respect for the guys and wish them luck in their venture, but again way too expensive for what it is!

Now, about me - keep in mind that I spend more on the materials just because my Kydex is imported from the States from a company in Belgium and I buy it from there. And I also use leather as for the back of the holster which is more expensive but more comfortable to me. As you said in other words - different people, different taste. So, at the end I still sell my holsters for $45.00 but unfortunately transport is a killer. In regards to the website - My web designer just got in on water tonight, so here it is - www.lhsholsters.com. Only the IWB section is ready for now but more products will follow by the end of the month.

All the best!
 

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Ok, Materials and cost - lets talk about the holster I posted above:

Kydex 12"/12" costs $4,15 bought from Knifekits and it is enough to make two holsters - so you have $2,07 expense per holster.
Chicago Screws - Black Coated - pack of 10 cost $2,45 bought in bulk - you need 4 for the attachments so another $1.00 for screws!

So, we got a smashing result - $3.00 for materials!!! Overheads, labor, etc...still very overpriced. Do not get me wrong I have every respect for the guys and wish them luck in their venture, but again way too expensive for what it is!

Now, about me - keep in mind that I spend more on the materials just because my Kydex is imported from the States from a company in Belgium and I buy it from there. And I also use leather as for the back of the holster which is more expensive but more comfortable to me. As you said in other words - different people, different taste. So, at the end I still sell my holsters for $45.00 but unfortunately transport is a killer. In regards to the website - My web designer just got in on water tonight, so here it is - www.lhsholsters.com. Only the IWB section is ready for now but more products will follow by the end of the month.

All the best!
The only price I could find was $60. So does that include shipping to the USA? Either way ... you say you have $3 in your holster and you sell it for $45, right? So does that make you better (read more "moral") than the guy who puts $X in his holster and sells it for $Y?

Where do you draw the line on a reasonable profit level? Regardless, you and I both know you wouldn't/couldn't make and sell a holster for $3 ... PERIOD.
 

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I see the link now. I couldn't see the pic in his OP.

The product looks mediocre, not bad but not great either. For $60+shipping I could point you to several domestic makers that make a proven product .... and would/could ship to you in the USA.

I'm not trying to dis on Pavel or his product. It just makes me scratch my head when people feel the need to bad mouth a company's price or lead time. If Pavel got some great reviews on M4C or other websites and got a glut of orders he would be in the same boat. His lead times would go through the roof and he would likely raise the prices to invest in more capital. That's how it goes.

It's easy for Bubba that makes stuff in his garage to knock the big companies (which he strives to be) until he himself becomes that big comany. The he defends why his prices and lead time went up like it's SOP.
You definitely got me wrong! First of all apologies on the price - website is still in testing so the $60 is there for the records. The actual price for my holsters is $45.00 and as far as mediocre goes:

My holster - $45.00



Raven concealment holster - $99.99



Again - congratulations for the guys at Raven to turn this into profitable business! In regards to if my holsters are proven - I have plenty of guys in Bulgaria wearing my holsters and proud to say many of them members of SOBT - the equivalent of SWAT in the States.

Do I want to reach the big companies - if it will affect my performance, delivery time and customer assistance, no thank you! Or will do it without affecting my work. Funny how the customer is king but as long as he pays up!

Are you by any chance friends with the guys at Raven? ;)
 

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Are you by any chance friend with the guys at Raven? ;)
Nope. I have exchanged e-mails with RCS along the way ... as a customer. I will admit I love their product but if you care to see where I stand on the holster issue please find my thread on here that lists all the holsters I've tried/used.

In fact, my personal favorite right now isn't Raven. I won't name them though as they prob don't want in this discussion.
 

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The only price I could find was $60. So does that include shipping to the USA? Either way ... you say you have $3 in your holster and you sell it for $45, right? So does that make you better (read more "moral") than the guy who puts $X in his holster and sells it for $Y?

Where do you draw the line on a reasonable profit level? Regardless, you and I both know you wouldn't/couldn't make and sell a holster for $3 ... PERIOD.
No I did not say I have $3.00 of materials in my holsters - said Raven has or even less as they buy in big quantities!

My holster cost $16.00 to make as all the materials go very long from the States to me. In this $16.00 cost I include the labor I put in, materials and so on. In the $45.00 I ask for my holster I include 20% USA customs duty,transport to the US address and my profit.

I DO think that whatever the growth, everything can be balanced more towards the customer and not the profit! But as you said it is capitalism. Once again I only voiced my opinion of how I see things - there was no need jumping on me defending this and that as I was not attacking those companies!

And one last thing - with your hand on your heart look at both holsters above once again and tell me that my holster looks worse than Raven's ;)
 

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Once again I only voiced my opinion of how I see things - there was no need jumping on me defending this and that as I was not attacking those companies!

And one last thing - with your hand on your heart look at both holsters above once again and tell me that my holster looks worse than Raven's ;)
WRT the first statement .... My apologies to you sir. I read the quote below and it sounded as if you were insinuating the companies (such as Raven) were purposely keeping people waiting and overcharging them. I guess I read that wrong.
There is however one thing all companies all over the world know perfectly well - they know they have to keep people waiting! This way customers flatter themselves thinking they are on the list for something exquisite!
WRT the second part ... Again, I am not trying to insult you or your product but I can unequivocally state without hesitation or remorse the holsters I saw on your website did not appear to be as high quality as Raven or many of the other companies I have tried ... including some I have discarded.
 

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SO, it is about time you tried one! ;) Seriously now, you can not say that before you tried mine as well, can you? I use Kydex 0.6 and 3,2mm cowhide for the base of the holster. Chicago screws are used for the attachments. Rivets are sealed at the back with PVC micro sheets and then I glue nappa leather piece at the back for max comfort for the body. This way even if sweat soaks trough the nappa it will not reach the rivets and cause them to rust - so on the quality side I can not agree with you because of the fact that I know my product! Have a great day and good night from me! 23.00!
 

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SO, it is about time you tried one! ;) Seriously now, you can not say that before you tried mine as well, can you?
Fair enough. Send me one gratis and I'll try it and post an honest review. I don't plan to puchase one though. If you want to send me one feel free to PM me. I'll send you my address.

On the same note ... do you have Raven and others for a fair comparison? Just asking.

Again, I had no intent to lash out on you personally . My intent was to state it was unreasonable to call a company out for charging "the going rate" for a quality holster and for taking as long as it takes to make it ... so long as they are up front about their lead time.

Besides, you yourself stated you copied Raven's design then dissed them for their practices WRT pricing and production time.
 

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Not trying to be argumentative but your order has only been in for 25 days when they're website shows 3-4 weeks. Add to that the fact that you ordered just before Christmas and New Years so I assume they had a few days off to spend with their families. To put it in perspective, I ordered a holster on 10/21 from Raven. They quoted 12 weeks. Based on their production numbers, my order is no where near being started.

The only holster company that I know of that makes them to order and gets them out "super" fast is Comp-Tac. Typically, you're looking at about a week to 10 days from the time you order to the day it arrives in your mailbox. You won't find many custom holster manufacturers that can touch that timeframe.
+1 and they are worth the wait.

PS..... BUY AMERICAN! The best holsters and gear in the world are made in the USA. Let's keep some dollars here.
 
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