Carry a Taser?
1 - 20 of 64 Posts
Joined
·
276 Posts
well its a good way to stop an attacker in self defense. plus it dosent have the legal dangers that carrying a knife or a gun does. if some one gets aggressive with you thats enough reason to use non-lethal force. maybe theres an aspect im missing though. but in CA we carry what ever we can and many people carry tazers. not pronge shooting ones but the close touch ones. mostly woman. aswell as pepper spray.
Joined
·
191 Posts
its a great form of less lethal protection...Not unsimular to carrying a good pepper spray just with better range and what I would consider simular stopping power. Remember guys your not always gonna be able to blow someone away with your desired SD handgun, places such as banks, bars, etc are great places to be able to have something like that.
Joined
·
276 Posts
ya id bet my next paycheck on if you shoot some one who is unarmed your going to jail for murder. lol
bassically because thats what it is. UNLESS your a 100lb woman and he was a 250lb dude and was yelling "IM GONNA KILL YOU" while running at you.. then you might be ok. lol
Joined
·
276 Posts
atleast in Ca the law bassically says if they dont have lethal force you cant use lethal force. 10 guys vs. 1 could be considered lethal force. its all situational. and none of this is legal advice.
but back on subject i dont see why not carry a tazer. as far as i know its legal... and for people like me in CA we dont have the option to carry a firearm. its knife, mace, tazer etc for us...
but back on subject i dont see why not carry a tazer. as far as i know its legal... and for people like me in CA we dont have the option to carry a firearm. its knife, mace, tazer etc for us...
I don't even know where to start with this one, but I'll deal with the latter portion first. TASER is not a generic term. TASER is a trademarked name. Referring to every ECD as a Taser is the same as referring to every pistol as a GLOCK. While TASERS can be used to drive stun, to my knowledge, TASER doesn't make a device that is drive stun only.
Not the same as gun or knife? Please back that up with some actual case references.
ECDs and pepper spray are similar only in that they are both designed as less-lethal products. From there, all similarities stop. They work on different systems in the body. OC is an irritant that attacks the respiratory system. ECDs actually attack the neuromuscular system.
I'm certified in both and have seen both deployed in the field. We don't even issue OC as a standard item at the SO, and I quit carrying it back when I was at the PD because its only truly effective use was against barricaded suspects, and I had better deliver options for that application than a spray can on my belt.
I don't know CA criminal code; so, I'll answer based on GA law. Nothing in GA law specifies that a person has to be armed to have deadly force used against them. The three instances in GA law that allow for the use of deadly force are to prevent death or great bodily harm to oneself, a third party, or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. The definition of a forcible felony is any felony that involves the threat or actual use of force.
Rape is a forcible felony. A woman can kill an unarmed attacker that is trying to rape her. Kidnapping under certain circumstances is a forcible felony allowing deadly force to be used to stop it. Deadly force could be used to stop a savage beating or someone choking out another person. I could keep going, but I think I have made the point.
Joined
·
276 Posts
"ECDs and pepper spray are similar only in that they are both designed as less-lethal products."
well right there youve answered your own question. gun or knife arent under that definition.
thats the difference... ones designed to kill and one isnt...
i can brandish pepper spray and not go to jail. if i brandish a knife or a gun i go to jail.
and how does one know some one is going to rape them if the attacker dosent say "im going to try and rape you". tell woman that and theyll blast any guy who startles them in a dark alley.
Wrong. Very wrong. It is still a use of force/weapon under the law.
Joined
·
5,854 Posts
Here we go again with "A gun is designed to kill'. No it isn't. It is designed to be a tool. A tool can be used for bad or good. My firearms are quite enjoyable as plinkers and for training, and as of yet, have never killed anyone. Same goes for knives.
Also, for those that carry Pepper Spray or OC, where do you purchase your OC/Pepper Spray.
Also, for those that carry Pepper Spray or OC, where do you purchase your OC/Pepper Spray.
Joined
·
276 Posts
yea but that use has less boundries... like the guy on the baseball feild a while back who was running around in the outfeild he got legally tazed.. you think it would have been legal to shoot that guy? .. lol
i could legally taze a guy who wants to beat the crap out of me after an argument in a public place. i could NOT just shoot anyone who wants to punch me in the face.
the problem with carrying a firearm and no non-lethal force is if you get into a fight you have now introduced a firearm into the situation and cant legally use it. but the other guy still has the option to break that law if he gets ahold of it at anytime
You don't see the difference in applications? The officers were trying to apprehend the person and take him into custody. They weren't using force in self defense.
Joined
·
276 Posts
yea and if he ran at the guy it would be the same. "taze"... "run away from crazy guy on the feild"...
i realize what your use for the ECD is. but your not trained to escape a bad guy. your trained to get them. so you use it to stop him and then grab him. but why wouldnt one be able to stop him and run away from him? he goes down and you get away and hes not dead and you didnt just stab/shoot an unarmed man
btw what does ECD stand for?
my point is there are different levels of threat and you cant just kill any one who is agressive towards you.
Joined
·
5,854 Posts
What happens if I feel threatened by some guy who is aggressively coming at me and I pull my firearm and he backs down? Have I broken the law? Did I stop the threat without shooting the guy? Was I able to use a tool to stop an aggressive person without escalating to deadly force?
Joined
·
799 Posts
Wow, what a can of worms opened here. I agree with JL on his comments. To answear the ? no I would not carry an ECD. Why? If I or a family member is attacked by a BG that means harm I have the god given right to defend myself and mine. The amount of force I use depends on the BG. If I or a family member are violently attacked my intention is defense of me and mine only. To many variants come into play with nonlethal devices and I will not place myself or mine in that situation. I hope I never need to pull on another person but that is not my choice it's theirs.
As I wrote in my first post, ECD stands for electronic CONTROL device.
They don't work as depicted in the movies. They don't render people completely unconscious.
The standard TASER, if used correctly, achieves neuromuscular incapacitation for FIVE whole seconds. Hopefully, this is enough time to move in and cuff or get into position to take physical control.
The drive stun mode achieves no incapacitation whatsoever. It is nothing but pain, pure and simple, and you have to come into actual physical contact with the person to utilize it. You have to actually physically engage a person to use it. Is this a good idea?
Look into your state law. Does the propelling of the prongs qualify as a firearm? How is an ECD classified under your state law? How about its actual use?
Joined
·
276 Posts
from my understanding of the law you may have broken the law in CA if you do so yes. some states even require him to shoot/swing knife at you first. THEN you can pull your gun.
as far as im concerned legally in rule of law im not pulling a gun out unless im pulling the trigger. remember the first rule in gun safety. dont point the gun at anything you dont want to destroy.
but if i remember correctly both Thelaw and JL are LEO's so its harder for you guys to understand being you can legally draw your side arm for simple reasons and the guy your pointing it at cant legally shoot you for that like he could if a civilian pointed a gun at him.
but what if a guy is running at you and you draw your gun to "defuse" the situation and he draws and shoots you for aiming a gun at him. he was running to his friend right behind you to scare him.
TheLaw is a computer IT guy.
I teach "civilian" carry. I'm well acquainted with the laws on carry and use of force in my state. I also investigate uses of force by both citizens and peace officers. I'm very well acquainted with the use of force laws. I'm paid to teach them...
1 - 20 of 64 Posts
