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My local range started a GSSF Indoor style match for those who don't own Glocks. The participation is a fraction of the Glock matches but they have a random drawing for a free annual membership and that has real value.

You could use a Glock but after years of hearing people talk about Glock's having crappy triggers I thought I might as well add something "better" to the arsenal. Lacking a lot of pistol experience beyond Glocks I read forums and checked out what other ppl were using and decided on the CZ Shadow2 Optics Ready



It's only been to the range once so far. I was expecting all kinds of crazy awesomeness. To be honest I was kinda "ehh" about it (especially for the price). I had my stock 17L and modified 17c with me and I shot tighter groups with both of them than I did with the Shadow2.

In single action the CZ trigger is 3.75lbs compared to the double action only 4.5lbs in the 17L. There's basically no wall/break with the CZ. It's a very light and smooth pull. I have always felt the issue people have with the Glock trigger was that they weren't used to it, now I'm absolutely convinced. It's not that one is actually better than the other, they're just different. The Glock is almost 2nd nature for me and it became clear quickly that there's nothing magical about the CZ, I'm going to have to train to learn it.

Same is true regarding the weight. My muscle memory is set for a much lighter Glock and I was very sloppy getting the heavier CZ back on target quickly. More training.

There's a part of me that wants to just sell the gun and buy a bunch more Glocks with the money (that may still happen) but the logical side says I will be a better shooter by learning to handle more firearms.

I don't know, some of you guys have CZs, there used to be a small fan club of CZs here. What do you think?

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Congratulations on the new gun...

Shadow 2's are one of the hot Carry Optics guns in the USPSA CO division... Most of the CO guys shoot the first DA shot like a revolver... Start pulling the trigger as you get close to the target... then SA after that...

Most people send them to CZ Custom or Cajun Gun Works for some trigger reworking and lighter springs... It should also get worn in over time... Try dry firing it some... or a bunch... :cool:
 

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CZ has direct lineage to Browning Hi-Power for those looking for a modern example.I like it better than a Beretta 92 which is cheaper. There are several clones too, but you simply cannot go wrong with the CZ. Good choice.
 

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@MtStream, I am curious what can you say about the pros and cons between the Glock 17 and CZ Shadow 2. Performance, recoil, accuracy, ease of maintenance, etc etc.

Thank you very much.
 

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I think it all comes down to training and what you’ve trained on. Right now I could take any Glock and shoot better - both accuracy and speed - with it than I can with the CZ. If I had years of training with a CZ or 1911 and was just now picking up a Glock. The opposite would be true.

I could have bought 3 Glocks for what I paid for the CZ and magazines are a LOT more expensive as well.

The CZ weighs significantly more than the Glock. CZ is ~47oz Glock 17 is ~25oz. My wife tried it and did not like shooting it because of the weight and the aggressive grip texture.

I shoot Freedom Munitions 147gr ammo which are pretty light loads so any recoil difference doesn’t matter. I don’t know what you shoot but if you’re shooting 115gr ammo try 124 or 147, it’s a noticeable difference - softer recoil.

I’m not sure what else to say other than the guns are just different. As I said above, I had high expectations for how great the CZ was going to be and what I learned is that there is no magic wand for shooting. It’s all about training.

I think on the internet people complain about Glock triggers, etc. but it’s noise and not really true. As my Glock Advanced Armorer instructor said “If you want a well polished trigger, get off your ass and train”

There were/may still be some guys around here that really like the CZ. I think it’s a great gun but it’s not automatically going to make someone a better shooter.

The Glock is a lot easier to maintain. The CZ is not bad but the Glock is incredibly easy.


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I was looking to see if I had any pics of targets I shot with the CZ but I don't. To put into perspective though. Here is a pick of the first 10 rounds I shot from a brand new Glock 45 (a crossover between the 17 and 19). This was at 7yds and that's a 1 inch dot. The sights were off center on the gun and I tried to walk the last few rounds into the dot. Otherwise the group would have been smaller.

I could not get a group that tight with the CZ but that's not the CZ's fault. I don't think the difference in guns matters if you train. I would spend money on training or, even better, a dry fire training system before on another gun if you really want to get good.



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Thanks MtStream. This is really very helpful. I would agree that 1 CZ can get you 3 Glocks already. Here in the Philippines, it's twice the price! I think you can get a CZ there for around USD1500, but here for the same model, it costs approx. USD2,800, excluding the license!

On the zero-ing, any pointers that you can give me on how to check if my G17C is "zeroed"? I noticed that I have been firing more accurately with a rental G17 from our gun club compared to my G17C. I have been observing proper sight alignment but couldn't seem to hit my target properly. It's all in the board, but grouping is very horrible!

My G17C comes with the adjustable polymer back sight.
 

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I'm not sure what to tell you about zeroing sights if the billets are all over the paper. You have to be shooting tight groups to zero the sights. Chances are they don't need any adjustments but if the problem is the shooter and not the sights (which big groups would indicate) trying to adjust the sights can make matters worse. In other words, If the rounds are in a spread out group, it doesn't really work.

Don't get discouraged (or impatient)! Tight groups will come with practice. I would suggest to practice at very short distances - like 3 meters. Try and shoot 3 bullets that only make one hole (it's very hard to do). Adjust your grip until you are able to hold the gun so it doesn't move when you pull the trigger - when you figure out your grip chances are the bullets will be close to one hole. Trigger control is the most important aspect of shooting but with pistols I find that grip affects trigger control.

Here is a good video on grip - Mike talks about using a "C" grip instead of a fist.

Practicing at home without any ammo aka Dry Fire Practice is very helpful. Try balancing a coin on your front sight, get in a normal shooting stance and pull the trigger without moving it.

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Thank you very much MtStream. You've been giving me valuable advice since I joined this forum and it's really very helpful for a beginner like me. I guess I am just overly excited into getting into shooting as this has been a dream of mine since I was young. :eek:
 

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Increase the grip on your support hand... You want to grip the pistol much harder with your support hand than with your trigger finger hand...

Think of it like putting your pistol in a vise... It wouldn't move at all.
 

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Late to this thread, but that sure is one heck of a nice looking pistol you have there OP! ;)
 

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To be honest, I’ve only had it out one other time. The buddy I was with really liked it but when I tried to sell it to him he decided it wasn’t worth that much money to him.

I’m just not getting to the range enough to train with it so I get as good or better shooting it than my Glocks.

One thing, it’s a whole lot heavier than a Glock.


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I look...ok drool at one in my LGS each time I am in there. $1979.00 is a little over my budget. And that is below what I have seen in other stores!!!
 

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To be honest, I’ve only had it out one other time. The buddy I was with really liked it but when I tried to sell it to him he decided it wasn’t worth that much money to him.

I’m just not getting to the range enough to train with it so I get as good or better shooting it than my Glocks.

One thing, it’s a whole lot heavier than a Glock.


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Well, one really buys one of those for the joy of shooting a "race gun".
 
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