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Obviously, this is a tragic occurrance.

The whole situation will be a rally point for the anti-gun establishment. This is to be expected.

The one thing that I really find strange is that Arizona has always given me the impression of being a "carry-heavy" state. With that said, I was surprized that no one within the crowd of shoppers and viewers was armed. I carry when I go to the grocery store, so I assume that other licensed folks also arm themselves.

This sad story could have had a 2nd Amendment endorsement if a licensed goodguy would have ended the situation with 8 or 10 well-placed rounds in the attacker's head as soon as the first shot was fired.
 

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It's gonna be a circus.

God bless and comfort the victims and loved ones involved.

As for the shooter, well let's just say there are processes and folks with the skills to make him suffer more and longer than any of the victims. To bad it won't be allowed.
 

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Obviously, this is a tragic occurrance.

The whole situation will be a rally point for the anti-gun establishment. This is to be expected.

The one thing that I really find strange is that Arizona has always given me the impression of being a "carry-heavy" state. With that said, I was surprized that no one within the crowd of shoppers and viewers was armed. I carry when I go to the grocery store, so I assume that other licensed folks also arm themselves.

This sad story could have had a 2nd Amendment endorsement if a licensed goodguy would have ended the situation with 8 or 10 well-placed rounds in the attacker's head as soon as the first shot was fired.
i'm not going to get in a gunfight in a mall/7-11/circle k/ad nauseum..... but if i happen to be in the area, i will take up a defensive position and if the bg comes looking to eliminate witnesses, bang bang, game/set/match.
 

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One of the areas off limits in AZ:

2. "Public event" means a specifically named or sponsored event of limited duration that is either conducted by a public entity or conducted by a private entity with a permit or license granted by a public entity. Public event does not include an unsponsored gathering of people in a public place.
 

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One of the areas off limits in AZ:

2. "Public event" means a specifically named or sponsored event of limited duration that is either conducted by a public entity or conducted by a private entity with a permit or license granted by a public entity. Public event does not include an unsponsored gathering of people in a public place.
It was a shopping center with a grocery store and other shops. My interpretation of the quote is "people in a public place" such a people in a shopping center attending to normal business. I'm not much for the duck-n-run crowd, so I guess if I had been there, I might have gotten in trouble. In any case, someone with a legal weapon may have saved lives and serious injuries.
 

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One of the areas off limits in AZ:

2. "Public event" means a specifically named or sponsored event of limited duration that is either conducted by a public entity or conducted by a private entity with a permit or license granted by a public entity. Public event does not include an unsponsored gathering of people in a public place.
not sure where you're getting your facts but this is what's off limits in az, taken from faq's from az dps cwp unit:
Are there any firearm restrictions?

Please see below for firearm restrictions:

•Businesses serving alcohol for consumption on the premises (exceptions for peace officers and ccw permitees, see A.R.S. 4-229, A.R.S. 4-244, A.R.S. 13-3102)

•Polling places on election days (peace officers are excepted)

•School grounds (some exceptions - see below) (peace officers are excepted)

•Commercial nuclear & hydroelectric generating stations (peace officers are excepted)

•Military installations (peace officers are limited)

•Indian reservations (check w/tribe, peace officers are limited)

•Game preserves (peace officers are limited)

•National parks (peace officers are limited) more information available at www.doi.gov or contact the park service regarding pending federal legislation.

•Correctional facilities

•Federal buildings (peace officers are limited)

•Airports (in or beyond security checkpoints) (peace officers are limited)

•Where federal, state or local laws prohibit weapons (peace officers are limited)

•State or local government/private establishments or events when asked by the operator/sponsor/agent. Most government facilities will provide a location to temporarily store a firearm. Persons who refuse to leave and/or secure their weapon are trespassing and can be cited or arrested for ARS 13-1502 or ARS 13-1503, depending on the venue (peace officers are excepted)
 

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It was a shopping center with a grocery store and other shops. My interpretation of the quote is "people in a public place" such a people in a shopping center attending to normal business. I'm not much for the duck-n-run crowd, so I guess if I had been there, I might have gotten in trouble. In any case, someone with a legal weapon may have saved lives and serious injuries.
I don't argue with you there, I am sure someone could have saved some lives but it was a "Public Event" organized by a "Public Entity" or at least that is how I read that portion. I don't know how the law would react if you were just there conducting normal business or if you even could during that time.
 

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not sure where you're getting your facts but this is what's off limits in az, taken from faq's from az dps cwp unit:
Are there any firearm restrictions?

•State or local government/private establishments or events when asked by the operator/sponsor/agent. Most government facilities will provide a location to temporarily store a firearm. Persons who refuse to leave and/or secure their weapon are trespassing and can be cited or arrested for ARS 13-1502 or ARS 13-1503, depending on the venue (peace officers are excepted)
Maybe my referrance are out dated but I still think it could fall under this section, not sure and I wasn't there.
 

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Maybe my referrance are out dated but I still think it could fall under this section, not sure and I wasn't there.
your 1st comment was vague and i'm not sure where you're going with this statement. just what difference would it have made if you had been there.

i live in az and deal with the issues here personally, not really sure what "traveling the usa" means.
 

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It appeared to me as if he was saying, "he wasn't there", as in he doesn't have enough information to know if it would/could be considered a public gathering etc..

It appears that the AZ gun laws are similar to the GA gun laws that we got rid of in June of last year. We had a public gathering clause that has been on the GA book for a long time. The issue was that no one could tell you legally what a public gathering was. Judges, Law Enforcement, Lawyers, there was no court precedents, anything. Many people, including some members here worked long and hard to get it changed and in 2010, we removed the public gathering clause in GA law. It was a great day and has opened up or at least clarified countless places to carry legally.
 

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i didn't see anything about "public gathering" in what i posted from the azdps faq's.

after 1070 passed several demonstrations headed up by latino's, happened and in one an individual had a holstered firearm and was also carrying, over the shoulder, some derivative of an ar15. wasn't arrested but the news thought they really had something in the way of a confrontation developing.
 

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your 1st comment was vague and i'm not sure where you're going with this statement. just what difference would it have made if you had been there.

i live in az and deal with the issues here personally, not really sure what "traveling the usa" means.
I have spent some time in AZ, the Benson area. At this time I am not in AZ, that is what "Traveling the usa" means, I travel and need to look into many different state and thier laws on CC.

As for the part of being there, I don't know if they were informed or asked by the operator/sponsor/agent of the event. Maybe I look too hard into the laws trying to make sure I am legal.

If I was wrong and it was and is leagal to carry in that situation I appologize for the original post. I was just speculating on why there might not have been any CCWs in the area.
 

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It's sad when something like this happens.

I would expect some added security for our congressional leaders in the future.
 

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Every news story I have read has people posting that this is Sarah Palin's fault, and the fault of the Republican party for making comments about "getting" the Dems, etc..

Funny thing is - his college classmates described him as a Left Wing Pothead.
 

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Fox & Friends this AM had interview with young man in the store to buy cigaretts when he heard shots. He was armed, went to hepl and was helping to hold "alleged" shooted down awaiting police arrival. I thought all judges went armed, just for this type of situation.(?)
 

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An article, in a local newspaper today, quoted a couple of our North Carolina congress members as saying they will start "carrying a handgun"from now on!
 

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This is a great tragedy, made all the worse by those using it to further their agenda's, whether it be for or against handguns. This forum is one thing, where we all agree to disagree, but using a families anguish to push a point is wrong. Already an Op/Ed piece in the NY Times called "A Right to Bear Glock". Extremism in either direction is wrong.
 
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