Perhaps not. But it is just as obvious that it is completely foolish to even try to justify. The fact of the matter is they, (cops), do stupid things all the time. How many millions of taxpayer dollars have been paid out over the years to families, because of foolish police chases, that ended in the deaths of innocent citizens? Most all of which started over some stupid traffic violation. These people can be tracked from the air. Or if the cop has the plate number, it's all the information they need to make an eventual apprehension. Yet they put the public in direct danger with these idiotic car chases most every day of the week.I think the point John is making is it's not as obvious as someone without experience might think.
Oh please, spare me your rhetorical nonsense. Stop trying to make this into something it isn't. Firing 84 rounds, and in the process hitting what they were ALL aiming at ONCE tells me, and anyone with an ounce of common sense, these guys are horrible marksmen, or else terrible at judging when and where to take a shot, or all of the above. The only thing that prevented some innocent from getting killed in this bad joke of "police work", is pure luck, nothing more. If this happened in your neighborhood you would be crying the loudest.The fact that you just take the number of rounds and divide by the number of hits and formulate such a strong opinion of the shooting shows me all I need to know about you. Your judgment is poor and hasty and you have little knowledge of real world shootings. Both of which make me question your being a good candidate for carrying a gun.
LOL. I think you should take your own advice. You ignore any and all relevant factors, make sweeping conclusions that aren't based on facts, but generalizations, and now tell me not to make this into something it's not? That's laughable. This whole thread is making something into something it's not by doing nothing more than reading the headline of an article. What a joke.Stop trying to make this into something it isn't.
Bull$h!t. I've ignored nothing. You're trying to over dramatize this for your blind, stupid support of a bad move. Why? Because they're cops. Which in itself means nothing, except they should be held to a higher standard they are not capable of. Their actions proved it. Everything I stated was fact. 84 round fired. ONE SINGLE HIT. Lousy marksmanship coupled with equal or worse decision making. Want more facts? They're God damn lucky the NYPD isn't on the receiving end of a multi million dollar law suit for killing or wounding innocents. A law suit they would lose, and the taxpayers would have to pay in order to cover their pathetic, stupid asses. "LOL"..........You ignore any and all relevant factors, make sweeping conclusions that aren't based on facts, but generalizations, and now tell me not to make this into something it's not?
Why would you shoot back if you know there is no chance you'll hit him? If you can't get a clear sight picture, how can you possibly connect? Magic perhaps? Or do you think the noise will scare him to death? I can understand why you support what these stupid buffoons did. You yourself would do the exact same thing, and achieve the same result in the process. That is the definition of insanity. The only good thing here is you're not a cop..... Thank God.So a guy is shooting at you and it doesn't occur to you to try to shoot him back?
The chance of shooting him through the car might be low (not "no chance" as you claim), but when someone is actively trying to end your life, you take that chance rather than just stand there and let him shoot at you. I hope you're never in a deadly encounter, because I'm not so sure how you'd do given comments here.Why would you shoot back if you know there is no chance you'll hit him? If you can't get a clear sight picture, how can you possibly connect? Magic perhaps? Or do you think the noise will scare him to death? I can understand why you support what these stupid buffoons did. You yourself would do the exact same thing, and achieve the same result in the process. That is the definition of insanity. The only good thing here is you're not a cop..... Thank God.
They, AND YOU, would be just the ones to be stupid enough to try it 84 TIMES........... And miss 83 of them. And screw anyone who just happens to get in the way of this stupid, idiotic lunacy.The chance of shooting him through the car might be low (not "no chance" as you claim), but when someone is actively trying to end your life, you take that chance rather than just stand there and let him shoot at you. I hope you're never in a deadly encounter, because I'm not so sure how you'd do given comments here.
Stop trying to pollute this total stupidity with all of your bombastic bull$h!t.It seems clear to me you have very little desire to actually educate yourself on the issues here, but they are complex and varied. You seem to want to just look at the single statistic (1 hit in 84 rounds) and automatically dismiss this as crappy cops. If you ever want to educate yourself about the complexities of the situation and come down from your high horse, check out this link to at least get some understanding of all that is involved here. http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Aveni/OIS.pdf The issue of police accuracy and hit ratios has been well-studied. It's no secret real life hit percentages are very low compared to training scores. And there are myriad reasons why. Yes, we need better real world training to make officers in the best position possible to safely end deadly encounters. But let's not crucify them for perceived incompetence just yet. ESPECIALLY given the fact that you not only refuse to consider important factors of the shooting in this case, but we simply don't even know all of the relevant information because your article doesn't give it to us.
So maybe educate yourself before jumping to conclusions and try for one second to withhold judgment until you actually have the right facts to consider.
Not true. Cops are a very necessary people in our society, who provide a very necessary service. Especially today. Without them we would have anarchy in the streets. If Baltimore proved anything, it proved that. But the fact is they are human. And as a result they are not infallible. Far from it. They "F*#K up" just like everybody else. Giving power to people has that effect. Just look at politicians if you need more examples. They all have the ability to get away with more because of the power they possess in todays society. And the way many of these departments are becoming far more militarized, it is compounding the "power trip" problem exponentially. Add that all up, and throw in a large dose of unaccountability, and that's when $h!t like this starts happening.billt, I have to agree (mostly) with Zenas. It's starting to look like maybe you just have an issue with cops.
Well of course other cops are going to defend it. That goes without saying. They're not going to condemn their bros in blue for anything. Try to get a doctor to testify against one of his collogues that F*#KS up in the O.R. and kills someone on the table. Good luck. Birds of a feather, and all of that sort of thing. As far as "not enough information", you've got to be kidding! What more information do you require in order to come to the conclusion that discharging a weapon, (or in this case weapons), 84 times in a populated residential area, and in the process hitting your intended target ONCE, is a stupid, dangerous practice? Every one of the idiots involved in this cowboy undertaking were God damn lucky they didn't kill an innocent. Let's at least get real here. What I'm seeing in all of the defense of this total nonsense, is a complete lack of ANY common sense. And as we all know, when firearms get discharged without that commodity present, bad things start happening real fast. You have this incident as proof positive of that fact.There's not enough information in the story to draw your conclusions, in fact, after speaking to other law enforcement it's not unreasonable at all.
The 84 rounds WAS THE "EXPLANATION"............. Only 84 rounds??? Jesus.I would say you got consumed with one fact only (84 rounds) without analyzing if there was an explanation for it.
Then how about you educate me with all of this privileged information you claim to have in your possession, so I can be swayed into making a more informed decision? Instead of sitting on the curb bitching about what you can't seem to explain in umpteen posts. How does that sound? (This I gotta' hear).He formulated an opinion based on limited info in a news article and refuses to even consider any explanations.