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So true clearing the BS
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While I do believe that some calibers are inherently more accurate than others, I also believe the majority of most modern ammo is more accurate than the majority of people can shoot. Yes there are always exceptions with highly skilled marksman but I believe when you're talking about the average shooter, the ammo is more accurate than the shooter. Just my $0.02
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Hickock45 has some videos where he shoots a Glock 23 and nails a target at 230 yards. Practice makes perfect, and he is a perfect example. Loads of good videos on his Youtube page. He needs to join us on Glock.Pro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I agree with him. Most modern firearms are more accurate than most shooters. However, a new shooter or someone that shoots very little will probably be most accurate with something that doesn't recoil as hard. Give someone who has never shot a gun in their life a G17, and a S&W 29 with a 6" barrel with full power loads. Give them the in class lecture on safety/how to shoot and put them on the range. See which one they are more accurate with especially on the second shot.
What is my point? Find a gun you are comfortable with in a caliber your comfortable with and practice with it. You will soon be looking at his videos and thinking hey I can do that, or that shot don't look that hard. You will surprise yourself on trips to the range as well in regards to how much you improve.
What is my point? Find a gun you are comfortable with in a caliber your comfortable with and practice with it. You will soon be looking at his videos and thinking hey I can do that, or that shot don't look that hard. You will surprise yourself on trips to the range as well in regards to how much you improve.
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all I can say, is my Glock 19 is more accurate than my Sig P250.
I know this because I can shoot it better.
But really, I have to agree with what I have watch and read. I know that I shoot my Glock 19 better, because I find the trigger easier to shoot with. I know that I will someday shoot both with the same accuracy, because I practice with both.
I know this because I can shoot it better.
But really, I have to agree with what I have watch and read. I know that I shoot my Glock 19 better, because I find the trigger easier to shoot with. I know that I will someday shoot both with the same accuracy, because I practice with both.
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Thanks for the positive reply's and hickok45 is a great guy and a great shot with most any gun
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hickok45 is a badass!
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that would have been bad ass but they couldnt come to a agreementI was really hoping that hickok45 was going to be part of History Channel's Top Shot 2, but he dropped out
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I was really hoping that hickok45 was going to be part of History Channel's Top Shot 2, but he dropped out
That's a shame...
I wonder what happened?
Although... I can't really picture Hickock45 standing on the edge of a 2x4 (in water) throwing knives into a target... He'd probably start giving them a lecture on how foolish it was...
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he would probably take the 2x4 and start smashing pumpkins most people dont like to hear what he has to say because there so much truth in what he says people dont want to belive he can shoot a 23 .40cal 230 yards because to them u can only do that with a 9mm
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... and then while standing on firm ground "robin hood" 2 throwing knives on top of each other on a target 30 yards away
I will agree that the shooter is the most important factor, and this is a point I will come back to shortly.
As an instructor for two different agencies and having taught at a regional academy, I have been able to sample a lot of firearms, and I can attest that even within the same model line with consecutive serial numbers there can be noticeable differences in accuracy of the pistols. It won't show up on steel, and it won't show up in typical gun fighting distances, but there are very noticeable differences when putting the shots on paper targets and trying to make precision pairs, and I have seen these differences show up across a cross section of skilled shooters.
Now, back to the shooter issue. This is undoubtedly the most important issue. A poor shooter isn't going to be turned into a top shooter by switching from an off the shelf gun to a customized gun, but the way the shooter reacts to certain traits of firearms and cartridges certainly factor into how well they will shoot.
Take a beginning shooter out that is familiar with a pistol but just learning out to shoot. Get them going with a G19 and then switch them over to a 23 and watch the difference.
Get them going on a G19 and then switch them to a 1911 in ACP and watch the difference.
Muzzle flip, felt recoil, loudness, all this plays into it.
How do shooters react when going from a .22lr to a 9mm?
As an instructor for two different agencies and having taught at a regional academy, I have been able to sample a lot of firearms, and I can attest that even within the same model line with consecutive serial numbers there can be noticeable differences in accuracy of the pistols. It won't show up on steel, and it won't show up in typical gun fighting distances, but there are very noticeable differences when putting the shots on paper targets and trying to make precision pairs, and I have seen these differences show up across a cross section of skilled shooters.
Now, back to the shooter issue. This is undoubtedly the most important issue. A poor shooter isn't going to be turned into a top shooter by switching from an off the shelf gun to a customized gun, but the way the shooter reacts to certain traits of firearms and cartridges certainly factor into how well they will shoot.
Take a beginning shooter out that is familiar with a pistol but just learning out to shoot. Get them going with a G19 and then switch them over to a 23 and watch the difference.
Get them going on a G19 and then switch them to a 1911 in ACP and watch the difference.
Muzzle flip, felt recoil, loudness, all this plays into it.
How do shooters react when going from a .22lr to a 9mm?
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I recently went to the range with a friend who has a brand new Kimber Ultra Carry II. I was shooting my 9mm Glock and he asked if I wanted to try his Kimber. I shot a mag of .45 ACP in his Kimber and was way more accurate than I was with my G19. I was shocked. I was expecting massive muzzle flip and recoil and expecting to shoot it much less accurately than my G19.
For some reason it seemed very easy for me to shoot. POA was very accurate to POI. I can't figure out why I shot the .45 ACP so much more accurately.
Any ideas?
Yes, but you are an experienced shooter. Note that I wrote new shooter. Jumping from a 9mm to ACP right of the bat will intimidate a new shooter, but you get somebody that understands what they are supposed to be doing and it's a different ballgame.
Swap out gentle 230gr ball for some 185gr +p ACP ammo and see what happens.
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we where talking about average shooters u where talking about new shooters two different kinds of shooters
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